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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg with gene and

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Chris we have a fascinating episode of

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the parent cast for you today but before

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we get to our main guests and I'm

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telling who he is he's dr. Bruce

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Maccabee scientists who is involved in

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UFO research we're going to talk about

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the Gulf Breeze case which investigated

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thoroughly and other stuff later we also

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have so many questions one of our

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listeners gave us a list of questions

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that's enough for a host show I couldn't

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believe it

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let's go back in time to our guest two

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weeks ago now two weeks ago oh boy we

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have a lot of fun with Jacy Johnson this

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is why I called it a campfire episode

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you know you're saying around the

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campfire people are telling you stories

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but some people skeptical or not say you

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know what he's telling stories where's

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his evidence for any of this stuff now

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you've known Jacy for year after year is

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he just telling stories or is there a

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very strong factual basis behind all

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this stuff well you know gene that's a

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really good question in you know I want

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to be careful with how I answer it I

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have never gotten a sense from Jacy that

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he's purposely making up stuff I really

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think he believes all this stuff that he

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investigates I have always found it how

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would I put this just highly unlikely

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that a single person would have as many

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claimed experiences as he has had yet

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I'm an example of somebody who has had

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an incredible amount of unexplained

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sightings and experiences I consider

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myself to be healthily skeptical I did

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question my own eyes but I've had

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amazing experiences in my life so I

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can't throw the baby out with the

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bathwater I really would like Jacy to

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come up with some slam-dunk evidence

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some photographs some video footage you

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know some solid scientific evidence or

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visual evidence that would even document

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one of these these incredible claims

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I mean he's so much fun to listen to

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that you know I think we have to you

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know take everything that we hear from

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experiences and from people who claim

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these types of things so but we have to

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take it with a grain of salt but living

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in the area that he does I mean it is

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filled with traditional people with

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stories with legends with claims you

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should get a call from a very respected

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xro aerospace engineer Ron Regehr with

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an amazing report of a small three foot

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tall mini t-rex and then JC I get a

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similar report from him the same day

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totally unrelated to the report that I

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got from Regehr so you know I I don't

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know what to make of it I you know I

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really I can understand why some of our

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resident skeptics who I don't understand

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why they would even listen to an episode

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like this with JC unless they're really

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jonesing for somebody to rag on but I

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can understand why why they might have

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you know issues with some of the claims

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that he's made but the guy really does

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help people he he goes out people do

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have strange experiences they claim and

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he goes out and at least attempts to

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help them at least attempts to document

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the information and none of our skeptics

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are willing to do that are willing to

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put in the time to actually help people

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overlooked and all this critique and

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complaints about people going out and

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and and attempting to investigate these

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types of things is they're trying to

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help people and you know you can take

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everything else away from them but you

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can't take that so the key is he's

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collecting legitimate cases from people

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trying to make sense of them he's not a

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scientist what is his background that's

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a good question I he's a river guide

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he's been doing River guiding for a lot

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of years he spends a lot of time in the

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outdoors and I think that that is

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something again that's overlooked by our

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skeptics and naysayers the man is a man

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of the outdoors he's very very competent

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in a natural environment and natural

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settings I

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spent time out outside with him he's the

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real deal yeah in terms of his

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outdoorsman knowledge and in the amount

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of exploring that he does around the

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wonderful Four Corners area so sure

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living in Cincinnati Ohio or someplace

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about how big and vast and magical this

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particular part of the world is around

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the four corners so I think you have to

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take everything with a grain of salt

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JC tele is an amazing storyteller I just

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love listening to him and go fine about

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every five minutes but what can I say

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Jean you know we needed to guess at the

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last minute we hadn't heard from JC in a

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while I called him up he's always fun to

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listen to yeah now somebody is

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complaining because JC is associated

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with someone named Tom buscar' not

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anymore not since that in just

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ridiculous frozen Bigfoot in the box

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scenario about four years ago JC was

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involved in that and was very upset

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which he mentioned on the show he

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doesn't have anything to do with

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Viscardi or or this Dyer character who's

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now trotting out this suppose dead but

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Bigfoot he he thinks that that is really

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gravitas away from the subject with

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these people there being you know that

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are hoaxers and being and buying into

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hoaxes so I whoever that was that

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responded obviously doesn't doesn't

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time this is nothing that applies to the

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current situation a see was was very

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upset about the way that whole whole

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and was taken in you know he was in a

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place of trust I think biscotti to a

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certain degree was as well but based on

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my limited knowledge of you know what

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happened and how it happened but I think

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JC means well I really do think that he

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is a man on a mission whether he has

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suspended his disbelief more than other

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people or not that's open to debate

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but again JC has a good heart I don't

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really do feel he believes these stories

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that we hear but he's had more things

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happen to him than any other person I

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know I swear it's it's just amazing if

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all this stuff was true I mean you know

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they should Hollywood should come

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breeds a skepticism you can't believe

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that any single person is going to have

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so many experiences of course where he

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lives where he hangs out he probably

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makes himself susceptible to more than I

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would I mean I'm a hermit I live in one

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place and I get out occasionally you

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have something to say but you're not

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going to do it well I don't know if

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you've ever been down to the choose

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some of those areas of northeastern you

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it's a like northwestern New Mexico I

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mean that is spooky country out there

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and it's not by accident that the people

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they talk about strange creatures and

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other things you know sure your average

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City would they call that's just a bunch

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of Hicks with a lot of tall tales and

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they believe anything well that's not

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quite true and and I'll be the first one

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to to stand up for some of the wonderful

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Native American folks that live up there

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and and have truly have strange

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experiences I mean you know I've

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investigated for over 20 years a lot of

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interesting reports and there's got to

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be something to at least some of these

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claims I'm not sure if it's what people

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think it is it may be misinterpreted but

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the bottom line is unless you've been

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out there and you look these people in

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the eye you've interviewed people that

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claim they have strange experiences

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unless you've done that you can't come

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across as being a know-it-all and

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someone that knows more than than the

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next person

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unless you've walked in their shoes and

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really gone out and done the work I

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don't care who you are it's not easy

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it's not just black and white which is

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the problem with this entire field it's

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not always either/or sometimes the truth

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that vast gulf in the middle between the

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two extremes you know well extraordinary

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claims do require at least impressive

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evidence I don't know if it requires

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extraordinary evidence but hey come up

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with something man

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everybody's got a cellphone with a

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camera on it now let's get some pictures

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let's get some my let's take some of

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that Bigfoot scat and get it tested

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let's let's let's try to apply there the

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rigors of diagnostic science and optical

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physics in in some of these disciplines

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that could help us gain further

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understanding let's come on come on

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we've got a scientist coming up dr.

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Bruce Maccabee joining gene and Chris

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aren't earlier with your work and

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background well it helps us to so let me

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ask you first of all how does a

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scientist get interested in UFOs isn't

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that something where they kind of look

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at you and say what what is this all

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about well I guess taking interest in a

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subject question is how long is that

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interested in the last number of people

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started off as the subject could end up

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spending their time grinding grinding

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their wheels against cases that are

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poorly reported or might even be hoaxes

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or fabrications or whatever and then

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they decide well there's nothing to it

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and I'm out however I guess I was

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fortunate in the sense that aside from

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reading books back in the 60s and

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getting intrigued by what was in the

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books I was on some case investigations

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that turned out to be non-trivial in the

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early 70s and so that's what kept my

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interest and then I got into studying

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early sightings in the forties and

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fifties and even going so far as to read

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the files of Project Blue Book when they

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became available on microfilm at the

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National Archives

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seventy-five and of course I was doing

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case investigations I started the

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McMinnville investigation in 1974 that's

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been one of the major things that I

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tackled and looking back on that over

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the years I guess it was sort of brash

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of me as a inexperienced guy just barely

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getting a PhD in physics to tackle a

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case that was so famous and the only one

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that was endorsed by William Hartmann

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and the Condor Show report when I

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started investigating that I just I

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figured I'd probably be able to prove

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there was a hoax but the more I looked

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the more I saw things that said not hoax

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and he can read them the results of my

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investigation on my website so anyway

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how does the scientists get interested

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in the subject well like I said some of

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them have gotten temporarily interested

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and then drop out but I kept going there

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are scientific aspects to your photo

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studies well obviously if UFOs were

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spaceships visitors from another world

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there would be scientific aspects but

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should we even assume that or is that

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just a little too early in the state

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well there are scientific aspects to the

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investigation which is one of the things

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that caught my interest is I read books

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and read history of early setting and so

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on

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which was very often for us a very

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particular particular sighting it's fine

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to be skeptical about sightings and then

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propose potential solutions but you

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should be able to prove that the

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solution you propose actually fits the

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available data at least in a reasonable

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way and one thing I was struck was

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struck by was the tendency of severe

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skeptics to ignore or modify the

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sighting data in order to make their

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preferred explanations stick most people

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don't know it but there are seven

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explanations have been proposed and it

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was 7 for the Kenneth Arnold sighting

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which is a the first one on record so to

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speak they can't all be right there has

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to be one explanation ok but I said 7

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explanations percent several several ok

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said seven you said senator okay that's

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the exact number but the point is that

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there should be only one

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skeptics either act as if the more

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explanations you could propose the more

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likely it is that you've explained the

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case you're suggesting though that the

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skeptics would manipulate the facts in

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order to come up with any of these seven

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explanations how so information

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reinterpret the information pre-k act as

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if they were there at the time of the

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witnesses sighting and so on but

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ignoring certain parts of the

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information of course is one of the key

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things are attributing a sighting to a

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mundane cause that just barely fits and

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you go back to the Kenneth Arnold

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sighting anybody who was in this subject

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should be thoroughly familiar with that

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because that's the one sighting where

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you can say Kenneth Arnold did not

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generate his story because he was trying

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to because he was a copycat he was there

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was no way for him to copy something

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that hadn't been reported up to that

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point at least publicly you look at his

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you look at the official explanation for

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the climate a final setting is Mirage if

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you look into that a little bit more

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where they're really talking about a

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mountaintop mirages well now Kenneth I

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will talk about objects that were

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traveling from his first sea sighting

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north of Mount Rainier

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he saw them fly past Mount Rainier and

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southward towards Mount Adams a

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mountaintop Mirage is a mirage of the

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peak of the mountain and guess what it

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stays over the peak of the mountain it

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doesn't move laterally at all so you

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have to totally ignore our Arnold's

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description of these things flying from

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far left the far right you have to

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ignore that in order to be able to even

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marginally claim that he saw a mirage

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that's what I mean by ignoring the data

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what about the the explanation that's

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been proposed that these were actually

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man-made craft maybe holdovers from some

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sort of Nazi technology like the Horton

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brothers type of design of something

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like that where do you come down on that

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explanation well I don't buy the Nazi

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UFO theory first of all their

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capabilities

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you go everybody to Canada Kenneth

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Arnold sighting you have to understand

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he gave considerable amount of

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interesting data talking about the

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angular size compared to something he

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compared with an airplane that he could

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see off in the distance to his left and

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these things he watched his the clock on

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his dashboard for 102 seconds it took

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these objects to go from Mount Ranier

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about atoms about 50 miles that comes

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out of 1700 miles an hour

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there was no Horton disk because it was

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1700 miles an hour there was nothing

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they could go that fast Chuck Yeager the

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guy with the right stuff broke the sound

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so-called sound barrier 700 miles an

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hour approximately in October of 47 that

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was the fastest man-made thing on earth

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so again if you want to accept the Nazi

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UFO theory for Canada it's saying if

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somehow we got to ignore a whole bunch

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of stuff that I'll talk about that being

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the key of what you just said here then

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a lot of these cases where the skeptics

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come up with answers they simply

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manipulate the facts or pretend some

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things were never said right all right

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dr. Mendel was a famous scientist wrote

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the first scientific book on flying

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saucers calling us flying saucers he had

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a couple of explanations for Kenneth

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Arnold sighting one was billowing blasts

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of snow

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this is a he was talking about snow

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blowing off the well the size of Mount

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Rainier and making big puffy clouds of

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snow he did he argued this in order to

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explain the bright flashes that I don't

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talk about now I don't talk about

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flashes like looking at the Sun or

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looking at a welding arc but menzo

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simply said well these puffs of snow

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would be quite bright senior distance of

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twenty miles well it would require a

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huge wind blowing past Mount Ranier to

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make sizable puffs of snow probably

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needs a half an hour okay yeah all right

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Kenneth Arnold

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Joe flew past domineer after his

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sighting

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you have no problem at all with the wind

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in other words there weren't any winds

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strong enough to move billowing blasts

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of snow 500 miles or 2 800 miles and

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vital amens well then Zilla rejected the

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1700 mile on our calculation is that it

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was probably more like 500 miles an hour

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which okay so I need to break it there's

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a dr. Bruce Maccabee joining Jean and

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618
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619
00:27:09,940 --> 00:27:07,039
nuclear physicist lecturer Stanton

620
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Friedman you are listening to the

621
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barricade the gold standard normal

622
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[Music]

623
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:22,940
so that old men's a very interesting guy

624
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:25,370
there I remember he was on a TV show

625
00:27:30,970 --> 00:27:29,360
maybe in the late 60s or early 70s and

626
00:27:35,169 --> 00:27:30,980
he was talking about a particular case

627
00:27:37,090 --> 00:27:35,179
and he just made some general comments

628
00:27:38,730 --> 00:27:37,100
and maybe he was going on in years I

629
00:27:42,970 --> 00:27:38,740
don't know we all are getting on years

630
00:27:45,130 --> 00:27:42,980
but the pro UFO guy looked at him

631
00:27:49,330 --> 00:27:45,140
started asking him questions and he

632
00:27:51,460 --> 00:27:49,340
practically turned red-faced over the

633
00:27:54,159 --> 00:27:51,470
specifics so I could see where he'd say

634
00:27:56,169 --> 00:27:54,169
well the only way to fit this in is to

635
00:27:57,899 --> 00:27:56,179
suggest that the speed estimate had to

636
00:28:02,919 --> 00:27:57,909
be wrong right

637
00:28:05,980 --> 00:28:02,929
that sounds typical himself was a guilty

638
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:05,990
of that Hynek couldn't accept the idea

639
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:07,850
these things might be hundreds of feet

640
00:28:12,130 --> 00:28:09,919
in size going past Mount Ranier of long

641
00:28:16,139 --> 00:28:12,140
distance and said probably it was up

642
00:28:20,049 --> 00:28:16,149
close and was some 400 mile an hour

643
00:28:21,820 --> 00:28:20,059
ordinary airplane that Kenneth Harold

644
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:21,830
saw a bunch of ordinary airplanes flying

645
00:28:27,010 --> 00:28:24,890
by at this speed of 400 miles an hour

646
00:28:29,260 --> 00:28:27,020
instead of 1700 miles an hour this is at

647
00:28:32,409 --> 00:28:29,270
20 miles there were a few minutes a few

648
00:28:34,750 --> 00:28:32,419
miles away and traveling only a 400 or

649
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:34,760
something miles an hour so when you're

650
00:28:38,110 --> 00:28:37,010
too modest ia are basically say the

651
00:28:40,350 --> 00:28:38,120
witness doesn't know what he's talking

652
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:40,360
about now in some cases that's true

653
00:28:45,490 --> 00:28:44,000
plenty of times I've analyzed bright

654
00:28:47,769 --> 00:28:45,500
light in the sky where a person said is

655
00:28:51,009 --> 00:28:47,779
following me it's following me

656
00:28:52,479 --> 00:28:51,019
you find out it's the so called falling

657
00:28:54,639 --> 00:28:52,489
phenomenon if there's a bright light in

658
00:28:55,749 --> 00:28:54,649
the sky it's far enough away and you're

659
00:28:57,399 --> 00:28:55,759
traveling let's say you're travelling

660
00:28:59,979 --> 00:28:57,409
north or south in this light is east of

661
00:29:01,479 --> 00:28:59,989
us of you as you travel along and it

662
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:01,489
seems to go along with you why because

663
00:29:04,869 --> 00:29:03,289
the direction of the sighting line if

664
00:29:07,389 --> 00:29:04,879
you travel in a straight line north a

665
00:29:09,099 --> 00:29:07,399
straight line south you're looking after

666
00:29:10,869 --> 00:29:09,109
the left or off to the right and seeing

667
00:29:14,109 --> 00:29:10,879
some object there it's so far away

668
00:29:15,539 --> 00:29:14,119
that during the angle of sighting with

669
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:15,549
respect to you're heading in the car

670
00:29:21,479 --> 00:29:18,799
stays the same until you come to a curve

671
00:29:24,459 --> 00:29:21,489
in the road or something and that's the

672
00:29:26,139 --> 00:29:24,469
Venus following phenomenon people see

673
00:29:28,779 --> 00:29:26,149
Venus an evening or something like that

674
00:29:31,180 --> 00:29:28,789
the garden along a straight stretch of

675
00:29:33,129 --> 00:29:31,190
road and darned if this bright light up

676
00:29:38,489 --> 00:29:33,139
there in the sky sees the fall right

677
00:29:40,419 --> 00:29:38,499
along so sometimes the witnesses is

678
00:29:42,729 --> 00:29:40,429
misreporting or doesn't understand

679
00:29:45,609 --> 00:29:42,739
what's happening very often they will

680
00:29:47,979 --> 00:29:45,619
give the the data correctly but their

681
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:47,989
interpretation is wrong but the job of

682
00:29:53,409 --> 00:29:50,710
the investigator is to separate the

683
00:29:55,719 --> 00:29:53,419
observation from the interpretation if

684
00:29:57,579 --> 00:29:55,729
you get a witness who says that the

685
00:30:00,519 --> 00:29:57,589
spaceship was following me as I traveled

686
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:00,529
along that's his interpretation you have

687
00:30:03,609 --> 00:30:02,330
to get to the actual data itself well

688
00:30:05,229 --> 00:30:03,619
what were you look exactly looking at

689
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:05,239
well this is the bright light up that

690
00:30:09,690 --> 00:30:08,210
was so great it must have been close the

691
00:30:12,099 --> 00:30:09,700
interpretation it must have been close

692
00:30:14,259 --> 00:30:12,109
whereas in fact you can't really tell if

693
00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:14,269
this into a bright light at night the

694
00:30:16,810 --> 00:30:15,710
intensity fluctuations allowed you for

695
00:30:18,729 --> 00:30:16,820
saying the lights are coming through a

696
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:18,739
lot of the atmosphere and it might be a

697
00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:20,570
long distance away but of course

698
00:30:24,430 --> 00:30:22,129
somebody looking at Venus and not

699
00:30:25,869 --> 00:30:24,440
realizing how bright it can be it can

700
00:30:28,869 --> 00:30:25,879
appear very bright with thinkit's with

701
00:30:30,489 --> 00:30:28,879
it like that a few miles maybe but no

702
00:30:34,209 --> 00:30:30,499
farther than that where this more like

703
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:34,219
some twenty million miles away I've had

704
00:30:39,310 --> 00:30:35,809
law enforcement a law enforcement

705
00:30:42,129 --> 00:30:39,320
officer go up and down a highway chasing

706
00:30:45,310 --> 00:30:42,139
after a fixed light on top of a center

707
00:30:47,950 --> 00:30:45,320
pivot sprinkler that was blinking so

708
00:30:50,979 --> 00:30:47,960
yeah I mean you know an untrained eye

709
00:30:53,349 --> 00:30:50,989
can be fooled fairly easily but I mean

710
00:30:56,079 --> 00:30:53,359
there are some cases from back in the

711
00:30:59,080 --> 00:30:56,089
40s and 50s some photographic cases that

712
00:31:00,520 --> 00:30:59,090
that are pretty impressive of course

713
00:31:02,860 --> 00:31:00,530
we have a question here from one of our

714
00:31:05,890 --> 00:31:02,870
new bees at forum dr. Perik asked calm

715
00:31:08,860 --> 00:31:05,900
deadpan man and he's interested in your

716
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:08,870
current opinions about the famous Trent

717
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:12,050
photographs from McMinnville Oregon I

718
00:31:15,490 --> 00:31:13,970
think you did a complete analysis of

719
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:15,500
those back in the 70s if I'm not

720
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:17,650
mistaken what do you think of these

721
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:20,210
recent allegations that other

722
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:22,610
photographs on that roll showed evidence

723
00:31:27,910 --> 00:31:25,610
of a threat or something suspending the

724
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:27,920
object and then I think another article

725
00:31:31,870 --> 00:31:30,320
came out about a ladder that was seen

726
00:31:33,820 --> 00:31:31,880
right in the same spot where the other

727
00:31:36,790 --> 00:31:33,830
photographs were taken two pictures on

728
00:31:39,010 --> 00:31:36,800
the roll that had the UFO picture before

729
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:39,020
and the picture after the ones before

730
00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:40,240
and after there were pictures of

731
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:43,910
ordinary scenes landscape and people and

732
00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:46,010
stuff like that so there's only two

733
00:31:52,860 --> 00:31:49,700
pictures that showed the UFO and I

734
00:31:57,490 --> 00:31:52,870
learned a lot from analyzing that case

735
00:31:59,470 --> 00:31:57,500
starting in 1974 and I actually spoke to

736
00:32:01,540 --> 00:31:59,480
mrs. Trent number of times probably a

737
00:32:03,610 --> 00:32:01,550
total of about 20 hours worth of

738
00:32:05,950 --> 00:32:03,620
conversations with her over a period of

739
00:32:08,590 --> 00:32:05,960
a couple of years I couldn't talk to mr.

740
00:32:10,780 --> 00:32:08,600
Trent because he had had a hearing aid

741
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:10,790
at the time and didn't like to talk on

742
00:32:16,780 --> 00:32:12,710
the telephone now this is back in the

743
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:16,790
70s early 80s right and on my website

744
00:32:23,340 --> 00:32:19,610
there are two big papers well this

745
00:32:26,140 --> 00:32:23,350
totally technical having to do with the

746
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:26,150
Harmons method of estimating the

747
00:32:30,610 --> 00:32:28,370
distance to the object by looking at how

748
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:30,620
bright the bottom of it was and another

749
00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:33,440
paper which includes comments about that

750
00:32:37,630 --> 00:32:35,480
but also a lot of other aspects to the

751
00:32:40,780 --> 00:32:37,640
sighting including the witness

752
00:32:44,290 --> 00:32:40,790
descriptions and testimony by other

753
00:32:45,010 --> 00:32:44,300
people as to the veracity of the mr.

754
00:32:51,310 --> 00:32:45,020
mrs. Trent

755
00:32:56,490 --> 00:32:51,320
interviewed on t on a video about a year

756
00:33:00,550 --> 00:32:56,500
before they died they died 1995 or 1996

757
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:00,560
and about a year before that there was a

758
00:33:09,670 --> 00:33:05,170
guy who videotaped an interview oh and

759
00:33:11,770 --> 00:33:09,680
here 95 I saw mrs. Trent talking exactly

760
00:33:13,379 --> 00:33:11,780
the same way she did when he I talked to

761
00:33:16,990 --> 00:33:13,389
her on telephone 20 years

762
00:33:21,879 --> 00:33:17,000
their stories never changed there's been

763
00:33:23,409 --> 00:33:21,889
a lot of I say garbage type explanations

764
00:33:25,779 --> 00:33:23,419
proposed for what they did

765
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:25,789
starting off with a a Garrard garbage

766
00:33:33,549 --> 00:33:29,120
can lid to thrown up into the sky was

767
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,559
one explanation years ago well I do most

768
00:33:39,159 --> 00:33:35,360
fundamental aspect that I discovered was

769
00:33:43,419 --> 00:33:39,169
a photo a UFO does not make the photo of

770
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,429
a UFO could prove to hoaxes if you

771
00:33:48,399 --> 00:33:45,440
analyze the following you find a string

772
00:33:50,409 --> 00:33:48,409
or some suspension and of course that

773
00:33:52,659 --> 00:33:50,419
was a dozen that sort of a search was

774
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:52,669
made of the Trent photos which have been

775
00:33:58,450 --> 00:33:56,320
analyzed by a number of top-notch

776
00:34:03,129 --> 00:33:58,460
organizations including life in Los

777
00:34:06,190 --> 00:34:03,139
Alamos National Laboratory and losses

778
00:34:09,460 --> 00:34:06,200
Lhasa Jet Propulsion Laboratory these

779
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:09,470
people all had high class

780
00:34:17,139 --> 00:34:13,280
highly modern back in those days anyway

781
00:34:21,069 --> 00:34:17,149
a capability for analyzing photos of

782
00:34:22,859 --> 00:34:21,079
course I have my own ability to analyze

783
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,869
and make measurements and so on

784
00:34:26,970 --> 00:34:24,800
everybody was searching for strings

785
00:34:30,700 --> 00:34:26,980
nobody found anything that's conclusive

786
00:34:34,659 --> 00:34:30,710
but it turns out that a photo a UFO does

787
00:34:36,609 --> 00:34:34,669
not make a photo okay a photo can cause

788
00:34:38,169 --> 00:34:36,619
the sighting to be rejected if you find

789
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:38,179
something that's clearly evidence of the

790
00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:40,250
hoax in the photo but you could also

791
00:34:44,859 --> 00:34:42,710
argue somebody gets out and makes a

792
00:34:47,050 --> 00:34:44,869
perfect photo no no evidence available

793
00:34:53,169 --> 00:34:47,060
no evidence apparent in the photo or

794
00:34:55,260 --> 00:34:53,179
hoax in which case the proof or disproof

795
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:55,270
has to fall off fall back on the

796
00:34:59,740 --> 00:34:57,520
circumstantial evidence which includes

797
00:35:00,940 --> 00:34:59,750
everything was happening beforehand or

798
00:35:02,650 --> 00:35:00,950
what happened during the sighting and

799
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:02,660
what happened after that wasn't witness

800
00:35:08,410 --> 00:35:05,210
testimony of a witness character and so

801
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:08,420
on and I concluded that first of all I

802
00:35:13,630 --> 00:35:10,970
couldn't find any proof of the photos

803
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:13,640
were folks is any proof that was in the

804
00:35:21,490 --> 00:35:17,440
photos and then by comparing their

805
00:35:24,780 --> 00:35:21,500
sighting stories and their personalities

806
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:24,790
and so on over years of interaction I

807
00:35:30,460 --> 00:35:27,760
concluded the whole thing was real

808
00:35:32,020 --> 00:35:30,470
you know well that brings up an

809
00:35:35,230 --> 00:35:32,030
interesting point now that we're in the

810
00:35:36,610 --> 00:35:35,240
did you have to get my website out so

811
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:36,620
that people can go look what is he's

812
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:38,450
going search for the ability to find too

813
00:35:44,340 --> 00:35:41,570
too big too big papers there that'll

814
00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:44,350
keep you off the streets for a few days

815
00:35:50,050 --> 00:35:47,080
okay well that brings up a good point

816
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:50,060
dr. Maccabee that in this digital age

817
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:52,610
it's getting more and more difficult to

818
00:35:58,600 --> 00:35:55,760
trust any sort of images that are coming

819
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:58,610
out because of the just the amazing

820
00:36:02,650 --> 00:36:00,320
abilities that some people are bringing

821
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:02,660
to bear on on hoaxing photographs with

822
00:36:10,420 --> 00:36:08,320
digital pixelated information and it's

823
00:36:11,950 --> 00:36:10,430
where do you come down on this do you

824
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:11,960
think the digital age is making it more

825
00:36:16,270 --> 00:36:14,480
difficult to trust any any photographs

826
00:36:19,060 --> 00:36:16,280
it's just a question from one of our

827
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:19,070
longtime listeners Birds State I'll tell

828
00:36:22,030 --> 00:36:20,210
you what before we do that answer

829
00:36:24,850 --> 00:36:22,040
because we're just about at the end of

830
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the segment we have longtime UFO

831
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:28,400
researcher dr. Bruce Maccabee and he has

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a site brew Mac dot 8k dot-com that's

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the right one right Bruce yeah okay if

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you go there you'll find more we'll have

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it also linked at the power cast site

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with gene and Kris you're in the para

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cast

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a year ago I began to do a lot of

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pretty good sized meal that I was still

913
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starving and my research led me to a

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well-known fact that most of the soils

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that we grow our crops on here in the

916
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United States and across the

917
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industrialized world are almost

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[Music]

937
00:41:16,590 --> 00:41:10,780
paragraphs because you will learn a

938
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[Music]

939
00:41:24,740 --> 00:41:22,020
dr. Bruce Maccabee joins gene and Chris

940
00:41:27,470 --> 00:41:24,750
and the power casts before we did our

941
00:41:29,150 --> 00:41:27,480
requisite break as we got do every you

942
00:41:32,780 --> 00:41:29,160
know nine to ten minutes or so

943
00:41:36,020 --> 00:41:32,790
Chris was asking a rather long question

944
00:41:37,930 --> 00:41:36,030
Bruce you had any further comments about

945
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:37,940
the modern situation with digital

946
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,210
polluted city my tray yeah it makes it

947
00:41:47,540 --> 00:41:44,880
easier yeah the person who knows nothing

948
00:41:50,060 --> 00:41:47,550
about the photo analysis and stuff like

949
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:50,070
that can go to an application that will

950
00:41:55,460 --> 00:41:52,290
deposit a nice little UFO picture right

951
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:55,470
into a any background scene you want a

952
00:42:00,920 --> 00:41:57,930
photograph back in the old days was

953
00:42:03,140 --> 00:42:00,930
tougher because you actually had to know

954
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:03,150
something about how the photographic

955
00:42:07,820 --> 00:42:04,800
process work to make something

956
00:42:12,410 --> 00:42:07,830
convincing a double exposure for example

957
00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:12,420
or you expose some bright UFO for

958
00:42:15,860 --> 00:42:13,980
example you go into your bathroom where

959
00:42:18,020 --> 00:42:15,870
it's all dark you put I'll have a UFO

960
00:42:19,970 --> 00:42:18,030
that's bravely lit and you take a

961
00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:19,980
photograph of it you have to have a

962
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:21,720
camera where you can back to fill them

963
00:42:27,580 --> 00:42:25,200
up or a camera where you can take a

964
00:42:30,140 --> 00:42:27,590
picture without having it move the film

965
00:42:32,180 --> 00:42:30,150
then you go outside and you take a

966
00:42:35,450 --> 00:42:32,190
second photograph on the same piece of

967
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:35,460
film and now you've got a bright UFO

968
00:42:41,060 --> 00:42:38,690
here that was our dark sky at now you're

969
00:42:42,670 --> 00:42:41,070
enough enough light so you can see some

970
00:42:46,010 --> 00:42:42,680
surroundings together picture some

971
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:46,020
backgrounds foot information when you

972
00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:48,930
develop the picture you have this bright

973
00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:51,510
UFO up in the sky maybe if you're clever

974
00:42:58,250 --> 00:42:54,540
with it and there are other things you

975
00:43:00,770 --> 00:42:58,260
can do but the bottom line ours is you

976
00:43:02,750 --> 00:43:00,780
could just have perfectly faked a

977
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:02,760
perfect faker you could have a real

978
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:04,710
photograph just by looking at the

979
00:43:09,230 --> 00:43:06,450
photograph you don't necessarily know if

980
00:43:11,740 --> 00:43:09,240
the previous if it's a perfect fake you

981
00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:11,750
have to look at all the background stuff

982
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:13,980
many of the photos that would come over

983
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,530
and a lot come out and publicized in the

984
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:18,960
last 10 or 15 years have been published

985
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:22,050
essentially published by anonymous if

986
00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:24,810
you don't know who the cameraman is that

987
00:43:27,980 --> 00:43:25,980
means you can't go and interview them

988
00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:27,990
there's a series of four

989
00:43:37,940 --> 00:43:32,040
by a guy who called himself Chad five or

990
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:37,950
six years ago I was at the Chad photos

991
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:40,410
of something that looked like a ceiling

992
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:46,560
fan almost the blades on it and so far

993
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:48,690
about the California drone supposed

994
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:52,770
drone the Chad drones as I think of

995
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:55,890
right that turned out to be a publicity

996
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,570
stunt or not I can't recall me if I know

997
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,000
as far as I recall if I was never able

998
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:02,640
to get a hold of the actual photographer

999
00:44:06,830 --> 00:44:05,520
so supposedly several several people in

1000
00:44:09,110 --> 00:44:06,840
different parts of the country who had

1001
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:09,120
seen the same thing but that doesn't

1002
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:10,560
mean it doesn't mean that it was

1003
00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:12,210
actually actually real it could have

1004
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:14,940
been a setup as so as far as photos are

1005
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:17,460
going go you still have to have all the

1006
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:18,930
background stuff and it has to be

1007
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:21,810
consultant system and if it turns out

1008
00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:24,090
that the photographer is a Steven

1009
00:44:28,490 --> 00:44:27,000
Spielberg special effects guy you may as

1010
00:44:32,690 --> 00:44:28,500
well forget it even if he did see a real

1011
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:32,700
UFO nobody believed him worse Bruce is

1012
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,400
you don't need to have a special effects

1013
00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:37,440
guy from Industrial Light and Magic or

1014
00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:39,510
digital domain or any of these other

1015
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:43,910
companies with low-cost video editing

1016
00:44:50,570 --> 00:44:47,810
applications and Photoshop and these

1017
00:44:53,180 --> 00:44:50,580
really high-end cameras for very little

1018
00:44:54,980 --> 00:44:53,190
money you can do wonders so it goes

1019
00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:54,990
right back to the same thing again you

1020
00:45:01,730 --> 00:44:58,530
gotta go back to the witness yep I was

1021
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:01,740
saying for example in the Trent case for

1022
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:04,560
example you can argue well they were

1023
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:08,010
fortunate they picked a thread there was

1024
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,570
the color of the background they met him

1025
00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:14,880
that one might imagine a lawyer a

1026
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:17,220
grayish spread it was the same color of

1027
00:45:19,850 --> 00:45:18,450
the background so it's hanging by a

1028
00:45:21,350 --> 00:45:19,860
thread all right but you can't see it

1029
00:45:23,090 --> 00:45:21,360
because there's you can only see in

1030
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:23,100
photography or even in your eyeball

1031
00:45:27,290 --> 00:45:24,330
whatever you can only see things as a

1032
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:27,300
contrast because there's no contrast you

1033
00:45:33,290 --> 00:45:31,200
can't see it so let's say they'd use a

1034
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:33,300
black thread maybe you could see a black

1035
00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:37,760
thread against a sort of British

1036
00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:45,420
distant seeing the horizon a sunset but

1037
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:49,260
if they use the white thread it wouldn't

1038
00:45:54,049 --> 00:45:50,880
have off contrast to be able to be seen

1039
00:45:57,700 --> 00:45:54,059
it would be tiny to begin with a tiny

1040
00:46:00,380 --> 00:45:57,710
image with why the tiny image width wise

1041
00:46:02,059 --> 00:46:00,390
rather than if it's the same color as a

1042
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:02,069
background you have zero chance of

1043
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:05,599
seeing it so they could have been lucky

1044
00:46:09,799 --> 00:46:07,650
one can always argue they could have

1045
00:46:12,349 --> 00:46:09,809
been lucky and there's no evidence

1046
00:46:13,549 --> 00:46:12,359
that's available in the film and the

1047
00:46:16,849 --> 00:46:13,559
photos they have to look at all the

1048
00:46:19,059 --> 00:46:16,859
other stuff and as I said I got into a

1049
00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:19,069
deeply all the other stuff that went on

1050
00:46:24,010 --> 00:46:22,440
their story and so on and ultimately

1051
00:46:26,569 --> 00:46:24,020
concluded they were telling the truth

1052
00:46:28,279 --> 00:46:26,579
just one fast question here with so many

1053
00:46:30,109 --> 00:46:28,289
people running around with really good

1054
00:46:32,809 --> 00:46:30,119
cameras being the ones in their smart

1055
00:46:37,069 --> 00:46:32,819
phones or iPhones whatever why don't we

1056
00:46:39,140 --> 00:46:37,079
see more potentially real UFO pictures

1057
00:46:42,109 --> 00:46:39,150
now than we ever did because people are

1058
00:46:47,059 --> 00:46:42,119
too busy looking down texting that's one

1059
00:46:48,859 --> 00:46:47,069
reason maybe a lot of stuff I got a

1060
00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:48,869
couple of things every every week I

1061
00:46:54,380 --> 00:46:52,380
guess or sometimes a couple of day to

1062
00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:54,390
look at and I just don't have time for

1063
00:46:59,420 --> 00:46:54,990
everything

1064
00:47:01,039 --> 00:46:59,430
and a lot of people they go by their own

1065
00:47:03,980 --> 00:47:01,049
interpretation what they saw and they

1066
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:03,990
say I saw UFO here's the story behind my

1067
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:07,200
sighting and here's the video I look at

1068
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:10,250
it and it shows a bright light but so

1069
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:14,010
it's not much I can do with it if you

1070
00:47:17,779 --> 00:47:15,510
have super high resolution oh there's

1071
00:47:21,490 --> 00:47:17,789
some people take super high resolution

1072
00:47:24,109 --> 00:47:21,500
pictures under controlled circumstances

1073
00:47:29,059 --> 00:47:24,119
guys all over islands for example is

1074
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:29,069
doing some interesting stuff but the

1075
00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:30,960
typical one is somebody taking a low

1076
00:47:38,329 --> 00:47:35,510
resolution camera I have to say that

1077
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:38,339
video cameras and cell phones are

1078
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:41,910
getting quite good they can't match the

1079
00:47:48,650 --> 00:47:46,319
super expensive regular cameras but

1080
00:47:50,780 --> 00:47:48,660
they're getting quite good I just got

1081
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:50,790
one today from a guy who says

1082
00:47:56,180 --> 00:47:53,520
he's been looking at anything for UFO

1083
00:47:57,770 --> 00:47:56,190
and so I look at it and he's got a small

1084
00:47:59,660 --> 00:47:57,780
bright image there there's nothing you

1085
00:48:03,160 --> 00:47:59,670
can really tell about it you can't talk

1086
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:03,170
about shape you've got to have some

1087
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:05,730
angular size to the object before you

1088
00:48:10,849 --> 00:48:09,119
start talking about shape and learning

1089
00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:10,859
any characteristics of the object so far

1090
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:12,180
the fact that it's got some brightness

1091
00:48:17,330 --> 00:48:14,730
to it and most of these photos you see

1092
00:48:21,290 --> 00:48:17,340
online YouTube whatever just lights in

1093
00:48:22,609 --> 00:48:21,300
the sky yeah and when you see something

1094
00:48:24,140 --> 00:48:22,619
that's got the definite shape and

1095
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:24,150
angular size you immediately become

1096
00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:30,090
suspicious well yeah and if it's too

1097
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:32,760
good to be true it probably is too good

1098
00:48:37,130 --> 00:48:34,650
to be true well let's talk about a

1099
00:48:41,330 --> 00:48:37,140
high-res picture that was snapped by the

1100
00:48:43,220 --> 00:48:41,340
Costa Rican military in 1971 in northern

1101
00:48:46,340 --> 00:48:43,230
Costa Rica it's a very famous photograph

1102
00:48:51,050 --> 00:48:46,350
it was featured in one of Jacque fillets

1103
00:48:53,690 --> 00:48:51,060
books recently an analyst came forward

1104
00:48:55,970 --> 00:48:53,700
with the with the observation that if

1105
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:55,980
you turn the picture upside down it

1106
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:58,290
looks exactly like the reflecting part

1107
00:49:07,070 --> 00:49:01,920
of a flashlight where do you come down

1108
00:49:09,230 --> 00:49:07,080
on the Costa Rican nerve situation you

1109
00:49:12,140 --> 00:49:09,240
have an airplane flying along doing a

1110
00:49:13,609 --> 00:49:12,150
geographical surveys photos it's just

1111
00:49:16,250 --> 00:49:13,619
automatically taking pictures of the

1112
00:49:19,849 --> 00:49:16,260
travels along it somebody going to say

1113
00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:19,859
this photo was not taken that way well

1114
00:49:23,180 --> 00:49:21,900
no I think there's a problem with the

1115
00:49:25,460 --> 00:49:23,190
evidence chain though isn't it this

1116
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:25,470
thing didn't come forward until 73 if I

1117
00:49:33,380 --> 00:49:31,740
remember correctly it would be checkable

1118
00:49:36,650 --> 00:49:33,390
because it was it was presumably one

1119
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:36,660
four one one frame out of a long film of

1120
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:40,530
frames of pictures one after another I

1121
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:42,690
can remember highness talking about it

1122
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:47,040
and gave me a bottle foot square blow-up

1123
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:50,810
or maybe even bigger than that in case

1124
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:54,090
you'd have to prove the story of how

1125
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:55,290
this photo was taken

1126
00:50:01,880 --> 00:49:56,970
it's basically our complete safe

1127
00:50:03,559 --> 00:50:01,890
application a fake and that in principle

1128
00:50:05,150 --> 00:50:03,569
could be done by

1129
00:50:08,569 --> 00:50:05,160
going to Costa Rica looking up the

1130
00:50:11,749 --> 00:50:08,579
original strip film strip and seeing

1131
00:50:16,609 --> 00:50:11,759
that this photo was there for someone to

1132
00:50:18,799 --> 00:50:16,619
say it was a flashlight he the person

1133
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:18,809
can really do more than say well I think

1134
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:23,130
it was and therefore I'm going to ignore

1135
00:50:27,949 --> 00:50:26,640
the picture obviously kinds of your

1136
00:50:29,749 --> 00:50:27,959
interpretation of something and what

1137
00:50:31,489 --> 00:50:29,759
you're going to do with it well your

1138
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:31,499
interpretation of everything is it's all

1139
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:34,049
fake then you're gonna go someone go and

1140
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:36,180
do something else if you're running into

1141
00:50:40,569 --> 00:50:38,130
something that isn't in clearly a fake

1142
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:40,579
maybe it'll spend some time with it and

1143
00:50:47,509 --> 00:50:44,640
learn something well when I read the

1144
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:47,519
photo as far as I know is legitimate the

1145
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:49,049
story is that was taking it was on a

1146
00:50:55,789 --> 00:50:53,599
filmstrip taken by geological

1147
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,799
geographical survey airplane it was just

1148
00:51:00,339 --> 00:50:57,359
flying along taking pictures and after

1149
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:00,349
they looked at the pictures one by one

1150
00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:02,910
they found this one with a strange image

1151
00:51:09,769 --> 00:51:07,380
on which for everything so so we know

1152
00:51:11,329 --> 00:51:09,779
that is coming up out coming out from

1153
00:51:13,549 --> 00:51:11,339
one dimension into our animation or

1154
00:51:17,420 --> 00:51:13,559
something like that it looks like left

1155
00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:17,430
edge of it is hard to there alright

1156
00:51:20,989 --> 00:51:19,529
Chris has a comment to make and we'll

1157
00:51:23,839 --> 00:51:20,999
hold that comment ill our next segment

1158
00:51:27,170 --> 00:51:23,849
will also be getting to some more of

1159
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:27,180
your questions dr. Bruce Maccabee joins

1160
00:51:31,210 --> 00:51:29,400
us with Jean and Chris you're in the

1161
00:51:39,550 --> 00:51:31,220
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1164
00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:49,740
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1165
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:51,420
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1178
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:17,070
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1179
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:19,410
again that's juicy and live.com hi this

1180
00:52:22,819 --> 00:52:21,119
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1181
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:22,829
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1182
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:24,690
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1183
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:26,970
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1184
00:52:30,260 --> 00:52:28,710
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1185
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:30,270
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1186
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1187
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:34,859
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1188
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:14,839
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1189
00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:17,010
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1207
00:54:12,749 --> 00:54:04,410
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1208
00:54:14,420 --> 00:54:12,759
here's Jane Steinberg we're talking

1209
00:54:16,620 --> 00:54:14,430
about photos photographic evidence

1210
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:16,630
whether they are credible or not a

1211
00:54:21,269 --> 00:54:19,089
little bit later we'll cover the Gulf

1212
00:54:24,059 --> 00:54:21,279
Breeze case lots of listener questions

1213
00:54:27,210 --> 00:54:24,069
on the para cast with Gina and Chris so

1214
00:54:29,370 --> 00:54:27,220
dr. Bruce Maccabee made some long

1215
00:54:31,890 --> 00:54:29,380
comments about his investigations Chris

1216
00:54:34,859 --> 00:54:31,900
had a response Chris I have turned this

1217
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:34,869
picture upside down and it does it looks

1218
00:54:42,779 --> 00:54:38,609
remarkably like the inside of a sort of

1219
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:42,789
conical or concave flashlight reflector

1220
00:54:47,549 --> 00:54:45,369
around the bulb and from what I

1221
00:54:49,979 --> 00:54:47,559
understand from this this recent

1222
00:54:51,749 --> 00:54:49,989
analysis that there is a problem with

1223
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:51,759
the evidence chain that the actual word

1224
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:53,440
of this photograph it took two years for

1225
00:54:59,009 --> 00:54:56,799
it to to actually be publicized

1226
00:55:00,959 --> 00:54:59,019
basically and that there is some

1227
00:55:02,759 --> 00:55:00,969
question of whether this picture was

1228
00:55:05,729 --> 00:55:02,769
actually seen initially when they went

1229
00:55:08,190 --> 00:55:05,739
through the through the these the

1230
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:08,200
original photographs when they were

1231
00:55:14,489 --> 00:55:12,160
developed now I I understand that dr.

1232
00:55:16,109 --> 00:55:14,499
Haines Richard Haines has done quite a

1233
00:55:19,979 --> 00:55:16,119
bit of work on this photograph and and

1234
00:55:21,779 --> 00:55:19,989
and dr. Jacques Vallee but you know if

1235
00:55:24,269 --> 00:55:21,789
you turn that picture upside down and

1236
00:55:27,089 --> 00:55:24,279
look at it it looks remarkably like a

1237
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:27,099
superimposed reflection from the inside

1238
00:55:33,299 --> 00:55:29,890
of a flashlight it really does it fools

1239
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:33,309
the eye because it's your eye just

1240
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:36,160
assumes that the actual shape is conical

1241
00:55:42,059 --> 00:55:38,799
and then it's actually going from the

1242
00:55:44,489 --> 00:55:42,069
rim upwards towards the top of a of a

1243
00:55:46,859 --> 00:55:44,499
slight dome but if you turn it upside

1244
00:55:51,690 --> 00:55:46,869
down boy it looks just like a flashlight

1245
00:55:55,019 --> 00:55:51,700
reflector and I looked at it myself I

1246
00:55:56,249 --> 00:55:55,029
said today will prove that was true

1247
00:55:58,499 --> 00:55:56,259
first of all you've got to prove that

1248
00:56:00,930 --> 00:55:58,509
the photo was not taken away the way

1249
00:56:02,279 --> 00:56:00,940
supposedly was taken I suppose you did

1250
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:02,289
out here somebody trying to make a

1251
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:05,170
double exposure by using the real the

1252
00:56:11,059 --> 00:56:08,160
real original photo there's a back

1253
00:56:13,970 --> 00:56:11,069
bouncing and then taking a photograph of

1254
00:56:18,650 --> 00:56:13,980
that and then photographing a flashlight

1255
00:56:20,180 --> 00:56:18,660
somehow in the lower corner of it but

1256
00:56:22,010 --> 00:56:20,190
until somebody comes up with proof that

1257
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:22,020
it was taking the there's not a

1258
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:23,609
legitimate photo I think you have to say

1259
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:25,650
it's got something if there's some

1260
00:56:28,849 --> 00:56:26,609
anomaly on it

1261
00:56:34,579 --> 00:56:28,859
well I suddenly appeared under the

1262
00:56:36,620 --> 00:56:34,589
airplane have access to the original

1263
00:56:39,710 --> 00:56:36,630
negative and superimposed so double

1264
00:56:41,420 --> 00:56:39,720
expose the the picture but what where do

1265
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:41,430
you come down on the three best

1266
00:56:45,410 --> 00:56:43,770
photographic cases I mean you have

1267
00:56:47,779 --> 00:56:45,420
looked at literally thousands and

1268
00:56:51,170 --> 00:56:47,789
thousands of photographs and and

1269
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:51,180
probably hundreds of bits of footage

1270
00:56:56,029 --> 00:56:53,609
video and film there's an optical

1271
00:57:03,680 --> 00:56:56,039
physicist what are you three or four top

1272
00:57:06,670 --> 00:57:03,690
favorite cases like the children host

1273
00:57:09,319 --> 00:57:06,680
photo which is a bright thing in clouds

1274
00:57:10,339 --> 00:57:09,329
the only photograph endorsed by photo

1275
00:57:15,799 --> 00:57:10,349
class by the way

1276
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:15,809
do tell how did he endorse this shoulder

1277
00:57:21,529 --> 00:57:18,930
hoses a Canadian Air Force pilot he was

1278
00:57:24,380 --> 00:57:21,539
flying with three two or three other

1279
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:24,390
pilots he went from the east coast to

1280
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:28,400
the west coast in f-86 I think it was I

1281
00:57:35,450 --> 00:57:30,960
don't recall exactly now but the point

1282
00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:35,460
is the next day he was was going to fly

1283
00:57:40,250 --> 00:57:37,529
back from the west coast the East Coast

1284
00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:40,260
is part of the speed run to see they

1285
00:57:46,130 --> 00:57:42,599
could set a record as they're flying out

1286
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:46,140
towards the west he sees this very

1287
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,400
bright object shiny metallic thing but

1288
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:52,559
he described does not show up in the

1289
00:57:57,230 --> 00:57:53,970
picture what shows up in the picture is

1290
00:57:58,760 --> 00:57:57,240
a very bright oval sort of image and he

1291
00:58:02,000 --> 00:57:58,770
describes seeing something like a

1292
00:58:05,539 --> 00:58:02,010
quarter or a nickel right in the Lee of

1293
00:58:07,339 --> 00:58:05,549
a big thundercloud he was trying around

1294
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:07,349
40,000 feet and he thought this thing

1295
00:58:10,940 --> 00:58:08,640
might have been thirty twenty or thirty

1296
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:10,950
thousand feet so he sees this thing that

1297
00:58:14,059 --> 00:58:12,690
looks like a coin he has a camera with

1298
00:58:17,299 --> 00:58:14,069
him that he was planning to take some

1299
00:58:20,690 --> 00:58:17,309
pictures and their speedrun he takes a

1300
00:58:22,010 --> 00:58:20,700
picture of it and that's been analyzed

1301
00:58:24,050 --> 00:58:22,020
clear the

1302
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:24,060
ever since as I said it's the only

1303
00:58:28,460 --> 00:58:25,680
picture that's endorsed by cell class

1304
00:58:30,490 --> 00:58:28,470
and he he argued that this big blobby

1305
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:30,500
image and you can see it on my website

1306
00:58:38,030 --> 00:58:35,130
was in fact a gigantic Paul lightning

1307
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:38,040
this was back in the his ball lightning

1308
00:58:45,580 --> 00:58:43,170
phase of UFO explanations which he he

1309
00:58:48,140 --> 00:58:45,590
emphasized in his first book UFOs

1310
00:58:50,060 --> 00:58:48,150
identified six years later he published

1311
00:58:53,060 --> 00:58:50,070
a book called UFO it explained and

1312
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:53,070
didn't even refer to his first book so

1313
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:55,890
it's as if the second book was written

1314
00:59:00,200 --> 00:58:58,290
in a vacuum okay ball lightning now we

1315
00:59:05,420 --> 00:59:00,210
heard those explanations back in the

1316
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:05,430
1950s with regard to UFOs explain to our

1317
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:07,440
listeners what ball lightning is

1318
00:59:14,780 --> 00:59:11,040
supposed to be and why it can't be when

1319
00:59:16,550 --> 00:59:14,790
a Pierson yeah it can't be because it

1320
00:59:18,620 --> 00:59:16,560
can't be it can't even exist because

1321
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:18,630
nobody knows how it can exist there have

1322
00:59:22,930 --> 00:59:20,370
been a lot of theories sometimes

1323
00:59:26,090 --> 00:59:22,940
observation Trump's theory

1324
00:59:27,650 --> 00:59:26,100
observations by all sorts of people for

1325
00:59:30,110 --> 00:59:27,660
over hundreds of years of ball lightning

1326
00:59:30,770 --> 00:59:30,120
I even have an observation from my

1327
00:59:34,810 --> 00:59:30,780
grandmother

1328
00:59:38,060 --> 00:59:34,820
it's a contained self-contained glowing

1329
00:59:40,550 --> 00:59:38,070
volume of air you might say that it can

1330
00:59:42,860 --> 00:59:40,560
move around there's a report to those I

1331
00:59:45,170 --> 00:59:42,870
recall from reading years ago Paul

1332
00:59:47,450 --> 00:59:45,180
lightnings coming into a cockpit of an

1333
00:59:50,420 --> 00:59:47,460
airplane and traveling right down the

1334
00:59:51,350 --> 00:59:50,430
aisle and then exploding at the back of

1335
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:51,360
the airplane

1336
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:53,760
my grandmother's story was she was

1337
00:59:59,660 --> 00:59:56,970
trapped in a thunderstorm she was in the

1338
01:00:03,680 --> 00:59:59,670
barn in a thunderstorm in Nova Scotia

1339
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:03,690
this was in my way back in about 1900 I

1340
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:06,960
guess and she said it was a lot of

1341
01:00:11,090 --> 01:00:08,490
lightning and so on and all of a sudden

1342
01:00:13,550 --> 01:00:11,100
in from the big big barn front barn

1343
01:00:17,060 --> 01:00:13,560
doors that were opened this ball comes

1344
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:17,070
in there was a big hay rake in there she

1345
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:18,450
said this is one of those things with

1346
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:20,490
curved tines it would be drawn by a

1347
01:00:26,690 --> 01:00:23,520
horse or tractor to drag along the

1348
01:00:28,610 --> 01:00:26,700
ground and pick up the hay so this has

1349
01:00:31,550 --> 01:00:28,620
got a whole series of maybe 20 or so

1350
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:31,560
curves metal tines that have a radius of

1351
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:34,410
curvature of six inches to a foot I

1352
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:35,290
guess

1353
01:00:39,420 --> 01:00:37,570
I don't know but the point is it she

1354
01:00:41,820 --> 01:00:39,430
said the ball came and hit the first

1355
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:41,830
tine on this rake and went Bing Bing

1356
01:00:45,300 --> 01:00:43,210
Bing Bing Bing Bing Bing all the way

1357
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:45,310
down the other end of the rake being bit

1358
01:00:49,230 --> 01:00:47,290
turned reverses direction Bing Bing Bing

1359
01:00:51,450 --> 01:00:49,240
Bing Bing back to the first one boss off

1360
01:00:52,830 --> 01:00:51,460
the first one and then exploded at which

1361
01:00:54,330 --> 01:00:52,840
point she decided she didn't care she

1362
01:00:58,500 --> 01:00:54,340
got wet or not she's gonna run into the

1363
01:00:59,610 --> 01:00:58,510
house what she did but can I say grandma

1364
01:01:01,320 --> 01:00:59,620
you're lying

1365
01:01:04,500 --> 01:01:01,330
this is a complete fabrication because

1366
01:01:07,230 --> 01:01:04,510
barleygreen does not exist when our ball

1367
01:01:10,170 --> 01:01:07,240
lightning is in reported missile sizes

1368
01:01:13,350 --> 01:01:10,180
are less than a foot typical sizes are

1369
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:13,360
inches and stuff like that the wall

1370
01:01:21,630 --> 01:01:17,970
lightning that so class is claiming that

1371
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:21,640
children ho saw would have been hundreds

1372
01:01:26,730 --> 01:01:24,880
of feet in size nobody in their right

1373
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:26,740
mind would ever argue that ball

1374
01:01:30,750 --> 01:01:28,330
lightning could be that big because

1375
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:30,760
haven't been any I have any observations

1376
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:32,290
people are still trying to come up with

1377
01:01:37,830 --> 01:01:34,330
theory view and recently the last few

1378
01:01:39,330 --> 01:01:37,840
months and some publications on series

1379
01:01:43,350 --> 01:01:39,340
of ball lightning our most recent one is

1380
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:43,360
that I've seen on the Internet the

1381
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:45,610
lightning strikes the ground and creates

1382
01:01:54,830 --> 01:01:52,570
a metal on the ground yeah some sort of

1383
01:01:57,870 --> 01:01:54,840
some one of the reports talking about

1384
01:02:01,760 --> 01:01:57,880
falling it comes from a bird somehow

1385
01:02:04,980 --> 01:02:01,770
this stuff gets ionized and creates

1386
01:02:07,980 --> 01:02:04,990
maintains its ionization the story of a

1387
01:02:10,650 --> 01:02:07,990
ball lightning that's fell into a barrel

1388
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:10,660
of a 50 gallon barrel of water I think

1389
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:15,370
it was and pause at the boil and I gave

1390
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:18,160
everybody some handle on how much energy

1391
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:26,160
thing about ball lightning is it's a UFO

1392
01:02:37,050 --> 01:02:34,210
I decided the ball ID no I'm not it's

1393
01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:37,060
lightning sorry don't tell me and then

1394
01:02:43,650 --> 01:02:40,510
the bottom and top of the bolt coalesced

1395
01:02:46,350 --> 01:02:43,660
in in the middle and hung as a ball of a

1396
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:46,360
brilliant light for a split second and

1397
01:02:51,390 --> 01:02:47,810
then blinked out

1398
01:02:53,980 --> 01:02:51,400
mmm it's like the lightning bolt

1399
01:02:57,550 --> 01:02:53,990
compressed into a ball that was I don't

1400
01:02:58,380 --> 01:02:57,560
know how gross is this you less than two

1401
01:03:02,530 --> 01:02:58,390
miles

1402
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:02,540
uh-huh if it was even that big I was

1403
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:04,850
singing you know this is the 10 20 30 40

1404
01:03:11,100 --> 01:03:07,250
feet people talking about ball lightning

1405
01:03:15,070 --> 01:03:11,110
going along senses along a wire fence

1406
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:15,080
yeah it would run reports of ball

1407
01:03:19,060 --> 01:03:17,450
lightning hundreds of them and as I said

1408
01:03:21,850 --> 01:03:19,070
nobody's figured out how it manages to

1409
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:21,860
exist yeah people have confused ball

1410
01:03:27,820 --> 01:03:25,760
lightning and so-called orbs wait I get

1411
01:03:31,450 --> 01:03:27,830
lots of pictures of people presenting

1412
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:31,460
pictures of orbs yeah on my website on

1413
01:03:38,140 --> 01:03:35,210
our guy paper devoted to the what I call

1414
01:03:40,330 --> 01:03:38,150
flash orb before we find out what that

1415
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:40,340
means we've got more to come with dr.

1416
01:03:50,050 --> 01:03:42,290
Bruce Maccabee with gene and Kris you're

1417
01:03:51,580 --> 01:03:50,060
in the period cast first game attack of

1418
01:03:53,650 --> 01:03:51,590
the rockets and it was a critically

1419
01:03:55,660 --> 01:03:53,660
acclaimed success and now there's the

1420
01:03:57,790 --> 01:03:55,670
coming of the protectors a former

1421
01:04:00,160 --> 01:03:57,800
military intelligence man is contacted

1422
01:04:02,590 --> 01:04:00,170
by a space woman in a dream a dream that

1423
01:04:04,180 --> 01:04:02,600
turns out to be a nightmare because evil

1424
01:04:05,740 --> 01:04:04,190
forces on our distant planet are

1425
01:04:08,110 --> 01:04:05,750
planning to conquer the earth

1426
01:04:10,540 --> 01:04:08,120
this is gripping science fiction of the

1427
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:10,550
classic kind attack of the rock codes

1428
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:12,290
and the coming of the protectors

1429
01:04:19,210 --> 01:04:14,720
find out more at rawhides calm that's

1430
01:04:20,710 --> 01:04:19,220
rock oh it's our Ock oids calm so here's

1431
01:04:23,470 --> 01:04:20,720
what happened I was placing an order

1432
01:04:26,410 --> 01:04:23,480
online the site went down it just

1433
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:26,420
stopped responding it took hours before

1434
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:28,250
it returned but I'd already placed the

1435
01:04:32,620 --> 01:04:30,050
order with another company if your site

1436
01:04:34,180 --> 01:04:32,630
goes down you could lose business and if

1437
01:04:36,490 --> 01:04:34,190
you have a business or personal site

1438
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you'll want to know it's easy to run and

1439
01:04:42,700 --> 01:04:40,280
it will stay online at iWeb your site is

1440
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:42,710
hosted on one of the most reliable

1441
01:04:49,690 --> 01:04:45,530
networks in the world check it out

1442
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:49,700
a web.com that's iWeb calm hi this is

1443
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:51,770
Steve spill em for Midas resources in

1444
01:04:55,690 --> 01:04:54,050
1971 President Nixon took the united

1445
01:04:57,250 --> 01:04:55,700
states off the gold standard and put us

1446
01:04:58,720 --> 01:04:57,260
into a fiat currency this allowed

1447
01:05:00,400 --> 01:04:58,730
Congress and the Federal Reserve to

1448
01:05:00,670 --> 01:05:00,410
create trillions of dollars out of thin

1449
01:05:02,019 --> 01:05:00,680
air

1450
01:05:03,460 --> 01:05:02,029
the national debt has risen to

1451
01:05:05,529 --> 01:05:03,470
incredible Heights and your hard-earned

1452
01:05:07,870 --> 01:05:05,539
dollars by a small fraction of what they

1453
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:07,880
once did the average life expectancy for

1454
01:05:12,220 --> 01:05:10,130
a fiat currency is 27 years the dollar

1455
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:12,230
is failing and on borrowed time when

1456
01:05:15,579 --> 01:05:13,970
currencies fall people turn to gold and

1457
01:05:17,950 --> 01:05:15,589
silver because gold and silver have been

1458
01:05:19,870 --> 01:05:17,960
real money for more than 5,000 years it

1459
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:19,880
is our mission at Midas resources to

1460
01:05:23,019 --> 01:05:21,770
help you preserve your capital don't let

1461
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:23,029
your personal savings shrink to nothing

1462
01:05:26,500 --> 01:05:25,130
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1463
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:26,510
you can protect your personal wealth

1464
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:31,609
contact me Steve spill them at 1-866-37

1465
01:05:36,220 --> 01:05:34,490
extension 308 call today while we are

1466
01:05:41,260 --> 01:05:36,230
still accepting dollars for gold and

1467
01:05:42,970 --> 01:05:41,270
silver 1-866 to 237 extension 308 make a

1468
01:05:45,069 --> 01:05:42,980
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1469
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that's one eight hundred six eight six

1470
01:06:00,640 --> 01:05:57,609
burglars look for houses that appear to

1471
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:00,650
be easy targets but fake TV can fool

1472
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:03,049
even professional burglars into thinking

1473
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:17,599
someone is home watching television fake

1474
01:06:22,539 --> 01:06:20,480
TV easily plugs into any outlet just

1475
01:06:24,940 --> 01:06:22,549
like a light on a timer and they're so

1476
01:06:26,650 --> 01:06:24,950
easy to use you just plug them in and

1477
01:06:28,750 --> 01:06:26,660
they're ready to go plus they're so

1478
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:28,760
affordable then we have one upstairs and

1479
01:06:34,779 --> 01:06:32,210
downstairs fête TV is only 29.95 with

1480
01:06:37,329 --> 01:06:34,789
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1481
01:06:41,049 --> 01:06:37,339
calling eight seven seven five fake TV

1482
01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:41,059
or go to fake tv.com that's eight seven

1483
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1484
01:06:50,890 --> 01:06:48,559
eight or fake tv.com fake TV the burglar

1485
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deterrent there are many things the

1486
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:52,880
human body can do very well but

1487
01:06:56,620 --> 01:06:54,890
maintaining the proper pH level isn't

1488
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1489
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1495
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1510
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1511
01:08:12,900 --> 01:08:04,410
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1512
01:08:15,630 --> 01:08:12,910
here's Jane Steinberg with gene and

1513
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:15,640
chris with dr. Bruce Maccabee we're

1514
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:16,960
talking about photographic evidence of

1515
01:08:24,450 --> 01:08:19,810
UFOs and you're referring to something

1516
01:08:28,050 --> 01:08:24,460
on your website yeah my web site or last

1517
01:08:30,690 --> 01:08:28,060
words his first came into being and I

1518
01:08:34,410 --> 01:08:30,700
say her first notice to the late 90s

1519
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:34,420
many a latter half of the nineties I got

1520
01:08:38,999 --> 01:08:36,490
some pictures from some people who said

1521
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:39,009
well we went out into a area where there

1522
01:08:45,690 --> 01:08:44,170
was a cemetery and then we started

1523
01:08:49,440 --> 01:08:45,700
taking flash pictures and look at all

1524
01:08:53,550 --> 01:08:49,450
these bright ghost images we've got the

1525
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:53,560
orb creatures are abundant I didn't know

1526
01:09:00,030 --> 01:08:56,290
what the heck was going on then this guy

1527
01:09:02,849 --> 01:09:00,040
sends me uh this is back in 97 98 99

1528
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:02,859
timeframe I forget exactly he sends me

1529
01:09:06,570 --> 01:09:04,480
some pictures he said I just got myself

1530
01:09:09,539 --> 01:09:06,580
a new camera he's not somebody who was

1531
01:09:11,099 --> 01:09:09,549
into the into the orb aspect of it he

1532
01:09:13,289 --> 01:09:11,109
said I got myself a new camera I took

1533
01:09:16,980 --> 01:09:13,299
some pictures of my kids flash pictures

1534
01:09:18,570 --> 01:09:16,990
and I got these bright spots of light in

1535
01:09:24,809 --> 01:09:18,580
my picture I'm wondering like cameras

1536
01:09:27,180 --> 01:09:24,819
bad so I couldn't figure out what the

1537
01:09:31,170 --> 01:09:27,190
heck was going on the first time you see

1538
01:09:34,230 --> 01:09:31,180
these images you're stumped you might

1539
01:09:36,210 --> 01:09:34,240
say so I suggested well maybe had a

1540
01:09:38,130 --> 01:09:36,220
light leak in his camera I gotta put

1541
01:09:39,870 --> 01:09:38,140
tape around various edges and do a

1542
01:09:43,999 --> 01:09:39,880
little experiments and see if he can

1543
01:09:46,140 --> 01:09:44,009
generate diese orbs intentionally by

1544
01:09:48,780 --> 01:09:46,150
letting like getting into the cameras

1545
01:09:51,210 --> 01:09:48,790
Mir there now a week or so later I get

1546
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:51,220
some put comments back from him and he

1547
01:09:54,990 --> 01:09:52,810
said well I was taking pictures of my

1548
01:09:57,810 --> 01:09:55,000
kids again they were jumping up and down

1549
01:10:00,270 --> 01:09:57,820
on the ground on a rug and the more they

1550
01:10:02,970 --> 01:10:00,280
jumped the more these lights these wild

1551
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:02,980
images came out and that it took me

1552
01:10:08,010 --> 01:10:05,050
about four microseconds to realize what

1553
01:10:11,670 --> 01:10:08,020
was going on the flash was hit

1554
01:10:13,620 --> 01:10:11,680
little teeny particles of dust in the

1555
01:10:15,390 --> 01:10:13,630
atmosphere very close to the lens very

1556
01:10:17,610 --> 01:10:15,400
close to the lens meaning they're out of

1557
01:10:20,100 --> 01:10:17,620
focus the size of the image that you get

1558
01:10:22,830 --> 01:10:20,110
these or for those of you who have made

1559
01:10:24,450 --> 01:10:22,840
or images with flash the size of the

1560
01:10:27,900 --> 01:10:24,460
image you get depends on the distance of

1561
01:10:30,780 --> 01:10:27,910
the thing and how bright the flash is I

1562
01:10:32,460 --> 01:10:30,790
figured that these have been around the

1563
01:10:35,610 --> 01:10:32,470
or villages could have been photographed

1564
01:10:36,930 --> 01:10:35,620
dozens of years ago but back in the old

1565
01:10:39,090 --> 01:10:36,940
days there was a considerable distance

1566
01:10:41,370 --> 01:10:39,100
many inches of seperation between where

1567
01:10:44,730 --> 01:10:41,380
the flash was and where the camera lens

1568
01:10:46,830 --> 01:10:44,740
was typically you would hold they even

1569
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:46,840
have flash attachments that were on

1570
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:49,600
wires so that you could hold the flash a

1571
01:10:53,370 --> 01:10:51,130
considerable distance away from the

1572
01:10:56,100 --> 01:10:53,380
camera but these new cameras that they

1573
01:10:58,890 --> 01:10:56,110
came out with in the 80s and 90s and so

1574
01:11:00,480 --> 01:10:58,900
on and especially the digital ones have

1575
01:11:02,460 --> 01:11:00,490
a bright flash it's only like one inch

1576
01:11:03,690 --> 01:11:02,470
from the lens that means that anything

1577
01:11:05,670 --> 01:11:03,700
that's within a couple inches of the

1578
01:11:08,220 --> 01:11:05,680
lens on the islands axis is going to get

1579
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:08,230
hit by that flash and being very short

1580
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:09,970
close to the lens it'll be out of focus

1581
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:12,010
so they're not resolved is what I call

1582
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:14,770
flash orbs in fact particulate matter

1583
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:18,010
they get in the way of the that are

1584
01:11:22,020 --> 01:11:20,290
close to the lens and illuminate it

1585
01:11:23,580 --> 01:11:22,030
doesn't have to be by a flash you can

1586
01:11:26,460 --> 01:11:23,590
have a ray of sunlight or a searchlight

1587
01:11:29,850 --> 01:11:26,470
beam or a flash light beam going past

1588
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:29,860
the lens hitting a project particular

1589
01:11:36,300 --> 01:11:33,010
matter the global particles and that can

1590
01:11:38,460 --> 01:11:36,310
be enough to make orb images so for all

1591
01:11:40,740 --> 01:11:38,470
people who talk about orbs you have to

1592
01:11:43,260 --> 01:11:40,750
be careful only that you're not talking

1593
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:43,270
about flash orbs and I have the reports

1594
01:11:48,090 --> 01:11:45,520
are true why we call true orbs you can

1595
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:48,100
see them without a flash which they are

1596
01:11:52,830 --> 01:11:50,890
sources of light disrespect us but the

1597
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:52,840
flash orbs you have to be careful there

1598
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:54,250
may be some anomalous things out there

1599
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:56,650
being picked up by the flash but a lot

1600
01:12:02,430 --> 01:11:59,440
of it is going to be just dust people to

1601
01:12:03,630 --> 01:12:02,440
go to a cemetery stand at the edge of

1602
01:12:06,210 --> 01:12:03,640
the cemetery for example there may be

1603
01:12:09,210 --> 01:12:06,220
near a road or this cars going by and a

1604
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:09,220
lot of dust in the air or you see

1605
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:13,210
effects in a snowstorm you know if

1606
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:15,730
you're going about our website and read

1607
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:16,960
the website you'll see that there's

1608
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,360
people have argued that the flash orbs

1609
01:12:22,859 --> 01:12:21,280
must be a long distance away and big

1610
01:12:26,069 --> 01:12:22,869
because they appear to be behind

1611
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:26,079
something but in fact you can get what

1612
01:12:31,470 --> 01:12:28,570
looks like for a piece of an image of a

1613
01:12:34,020 --> 01:12:31,480
flash orb this seems to be behind some

1614
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:34,030
right object whereas in fact it's very

1615
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:36,010
still close to the lens but the image

1616
01:12:40,919 --> 01:12:37,840
has been wiped out by the distant more

1617
01:12:42,569 --> 01:12:40,929
distant bright object you'd have to go

1618
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:42,579
and look at my website here I'm talking

1619
01:12:48,089 --> 01:12:45,520
about exactly but bottom line is these

1620
01:12:50,279 --> 01:12:48,099
flash orbs almost always proud of

1621
01:12:51,359 --> 01:12:50,289
perhaps always know particulate matter

1622
01:12:53,220 --> 01:12:51,369
close to the lens

1623
01:12:56,609 --> 01:12:53,230
Criswell I want to continue with some

1624
01:12:58,919 --> 01:12:56,619
questions we got so many yeah I before

1625
01:13:01,950 --> 01:12:58,929
we we go to more questions I do want to

1626
01:13:03,870 --> 01:13:01,960
comment that this has been especially in

1627
01:13:06,569 --> 01:13:03,880
the new-age community these orbs have

1628
01:13:07,950 --> 01:13:06,579
taken on a life of their own and I don't

1629
01:13:09,689 --> 01:13:07,960
know how many times I've had to

1630
01:13:11,189 --> 01:13:09,699
patiently try to explain to people that

1631
01:13:17,129 --> 01:13:11,199
they're looking at out-of-focus

1632
01:13:21,180 --> 01:13:17,139
particulate matter close to the Lord I

1633
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:21,190
can't think of where or one dot html' I

1634
01:13:27,629 --> 01:13:23,650
think it's blue Matt got a katom slash

1635
01:13:30,930 --> 01:13:27,639
or one dot html' might take you right to

1636
01:13:33,899 --> 01:13:30,940
it yeah there are real orb photographs

1637
01:13:37,379 --> 01:13:33,909
there in terms of in relation to how

1638
01:13:39,319 --> 01:13:37,389
many of these you know misidentified orb

1639
01:13:42,359 --> 01:13:39,329
photos of flash orbs as you call them

1640
01:13:45,029 --> 01:13:42,369
the percentage is extremely small

1641
01:13:47,490 --> 01:13:45,039
compared to the thousands and thousands

1642
01:13:49,770 --> 01:13:47,500
of pictures I've seen of these flash

1643
01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:49,780
orbs but there are some pretty

1644
01:13:55,290 --> 01:13:51,520
interesting shots including one that was

1645
01:13:58,140 --> 01:13:55,300
taken with me present with a very multi

1646
01:14:01,350 --> 01:13:58,150
colored or if it was quite large and

1647
01:14:02,609 --> 01:14:01,360
quite well-defined not one of your

1648
01:14:07,140 --> 01:14:02,619
typical out-of-focus

1649
01:14:10,169 --> 01:14:07,150
orbs and also we happen to see just

1650
01:14:12,450 --> 01:14:10,179
minutes later a strange kind of wiggling

1651
01:14:14,399 --> 01:14:12,460
worm that was seemed to be kind of self

1652
01:14:17,010 --> 01:14:14,409
lit that was wiggling around through the

1653
01:14:19,470 --> 01:14:17,020
air that we got photographs of there was

1654
01:14:22,049 --> 01:14:19,480
not an orb and I do think that there are

1655
01:14:23,370 --> 01:14:22,059
real orb photographs well what would be

1656
01:14:28,830 --> 01:14:23,380
your interpretation what are these

1657
01:14:32,609 --> 01:14:28,840
objects if they are real an ounce of a

1658
01:14:34,869 --> 01:14:32,619
picture I call red ball Oregon red ball

1659
01:14:36,549 --> 01:14:34,879
Oregon this would have been a red

1660
01:14:38,500 --> 01:14:36,559
I've been taking the photo been taken at

1661
01:14:41,109 --> 01:14:38,510
night that was taken during the daytime

1662
01:14:44,379 --> 01:14:41,119
the guy was out in backyard taking some

1663
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:44,389
pictures in the daytime and he take a

1664
01:14:49,959 --> 01:14:47,449
picture of the base of tree is that a

1665
01:14:52,209 --> 01:14:49,969
call or a bush or something and lo and

1666
01:14:54,759 --> 01:14:52,219
behold as he's about to take the picture

1667
01:14:57,819 --> 01:14:54,769
he notices this redness grow coming and

1668
01:15:01,750 --> 01:14:57,829
he takes a picture and it shows this

1669
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:01,760
roughly round red area which he says

1670
01:15:08,319 --> 01:15:05,090
then rose upwards and went out out of

1671
01:15:10,569 --> 01:15:08,329
sight so it was a dynamic thing that

1672
01:15:14,409 --> 01:15:10,579
moved you can read my analysis of that

1673
01:15:16,659 --> 01:15:14,419
it asked me three or some number of best

1674
01:15:19,449 --> 01:15:16,669
pictures I talked about my men though I

1675
01:15:23,139 --> 01:15:19,459
talked about the children's photo I also

1676
01:15:24,969 --> 01:15:23,149
like Skylab 3 again a series of photos

1677
01:15:26,619 --> 01:15:24,979
of some reddish object it was in outer

1678
01:15:28,839 --> 01:15:26,629
space there aren't any red objects in

1679
01:15:30,129 --> 01:15:28,849
outer space we have no doubt that where

1680
01:15:32,189 --> 01:15:30,139
the pictures were taken and who took

1681
01:15:36,969 --> 01:15:32,199
them it's not a fake wherever it was

1682
01:15:38,619 --> 01:15:36,979
first three photos show this dot red and

1683
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:38,629
the fourth photo shows a structured

1684
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:41,090
image the skeptics have tried to explain

1685
01:15:44,770 --> 01:15:42,530
the structure as a result of camera

1686
01:15:46,779 --> 01:15:44,780
motion but the camera was running at a

1687
01:15:49,419 --> 01:15:46,789
shutter speed Oh 250th of a second or

1688
01:15:52,449 --> 01:15:49,429
something like that no way you could get

1689
01:15:54,279 --> 01:15:52,459
this much motion out of a camera in such

1690
01:15:56,739 --> 01:15:54,289
a short time there's something there was

1691
01:15:58,899 --> 01:15:56,749
something going on and even if you just

1692
01:16:00,489 --> 01:15:58,909
look at the color itself there's nothing

1693
01:16:03,489 --> 01:16:00,499
that they could have photographed truly

1694
01:16:04,389 --> 01:16:03,499
a window of the Skylab there's nothing

1695
01:16:07,209 --> 01:16:04,399
that could have photographed that would

1696
01:16:09,250 --> 01:16:07,219
have appeared red unless it was a unless

1697
01:16:12,369 --> 01:16:09,260
it was at the Sun right at the edge of

1698
01:16:15,219 --> 01:16:12,379
sunset or sunrise where you get

1699
01:16:16,770 --> 01:16:15,229
reddening of the Sun in eliminating

1700
01:16:19,949 --> 01:16:16,780
something under that would look reddish

1701
01:16:22,989 --> 01:16:19,959
but they said they were nowhere near

1702
01:16:24,369 --> 01:16:22,999
sunset time of this photo was taken so

1703
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:24,379
there was no reason for whatever it was

1704
01:16:28,569 --> 01:16:27,050
to appear red we're gonna get red or our

1705
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sponsors are gonna get red if we don't

1706
01:16:37,130 --> 01:16:31,189
break we have dr. Bruce Maccabee joining

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this is a skirt 70 author of us on the

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streets and you're listening to the para

1816
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:04,440
Cass with gene and Chris and the power

1817
01:21:10,430 --> 01:21:06,690
cast we have dr. Bruce Maccabee we've

1818
01:21:13,010 --> 01:21:10,440
been talking about various phenomena

1819
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:13,020
that sometimes is mistaken for UFOs or

1820
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:14,970
maybe doesn't exist like ball lightning

1821
01:21:19,460 --> 01:21:17,370
and we talked about the photographs but

1822
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:19,470
one of the key cases Bruce did you got

1823
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:21,210
involved with was the one in Gulf Breeze

1824
01:21:25,730 --> 01:21:23,970
Florida series of sightings down there

1825
01:21:28,190 --> 01:21:25,740
can you give us the background of how

1826
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:28,200
you got involved and what you learned

1827
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:32,730
from it rather mention as one of the

1828
01:21:37,940 --> 01:21:34,770
things I like yeah new zealand case from

1829
01:21:39,620 --> 01:21:37,950
december 1978 and we could talk about

1830
01:21:41,450 --> 01:21:39,630
that some more but that's the only case

1831
01:21:44,750 --> 01:21:41,460
that i'm familiar with the only UFO case

1832
01:21:46,220 --> 01:21:44,760
out of the millions that may exist which

1833
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:46,230
has been argued out in the refereed

1834
01:21:51,470 --> 01:21:49,170
technical press articles appeared in a

1835
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:51,480
journal called applied optics on this

1836
01:21:56,660 --> 01:21:54,210
one on a portion of this particular

1837
01:21:58,400 --> 01:21:56,670
series of sightings now you're talking

1838
01:22:01,220 --> 01:21:58,410
about the film footage that was taken by

1839
01:22:02,750 --> 01:22:01,230
the news crew this film footage but they

1840
01:22:06,230 --> 01:22:02,760
have much more than film footage they

1841
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:06,240
had the ground radar they had the ground

1842
01:22:10,490 --> 01:22:08,610
radar the air traffic control center

1843
01:22:14,510 --> 01:22:10,500
well Wellington every control center

1844
01:22:16,370 --> 01:22:14,520
audio tape which allows you to nail down

1845
01:22:18,140 --> 01:22:16,380
when things happen in these in these

1846
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:18,150
sightings you have an audio tape by a

1847
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:20,490
reporter I'm employed the airplane had a

1848
01:22:24,620 --> 01:22:23,010
cameraman filming with 16-millimeter

1849
01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:24,630
color movie and has a pilot the copilot

1850
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:26,880
and actually two reporters that were

1851
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:28,890
involved in other words there's a

1852
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:30,330
multiple witness sighting the only the

1853
01:22:34,700 --> 01:22:32,370
only case that I know of it's a multiple

1854
01:22:37,310 --> 01:22:34,710
witness sighting with color of movie

1855
01:22:40,130 --> 01:22:37,320
film and radar all the same time and

1856
01:22:42,050 --> 01:22:40,140
tape recordings to help you put this

1857
01:22:44,270 --> 01:22:42,060
thing together so you could talk about

1858
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:44,280
that later if you want let's talk about

1859
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:45,810
that what did you determine from

1860
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:48,290
analyzing that footage and analyzing the

1861
01:22:54,890 --> 01:22:51,930
you know a complete set of of

1862
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:54,900
corroborating data well there was

1863
01:23:00,230 --> 01:22:58,080
something strange going on it began to

1864
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:00,240
understand how this situation came about

1865
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:05,050
you have to start off with October 19

1866
01:23:08,980 --> 01:23:07,610
seventy-eight disappearance of Frederick

1867
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:08,990
von ditch and his little airplane off

1868
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the coast of a over the Bass Strait off

1869
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the coast of Australia near Melbourne

1870
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:20,810
Frederick luggage the disappearance of

1871
01:23:26,050 --> 01:23:23,840
voyage is a keeps popping up over the

1872
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:26,060
years nobody knows what ever happened to

1873
01:23:30,490 --> 01:23:27,530
them they define over finally wreckage

1874
01:23:33,010 --> 01:23:30,500
for his airplane there was a TV producer

1875
01:23:35,500 --> 01:23:33,020
and Channel Hall Melbourne what was then

1876
01:23:37,630 --> 01:23:35,510
channel on our channel town a TV

1877
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:37,640
producer who is really surprised and

1878
01:23:42,430 --> 01:23:39,530
impressed by the amount of attention

1879
01:23:46,150 --> 01:23:42,440
that the UFO story associated with the

1880
01:23:48,670 --> 01:23:46,160
Fletcher's disappearance God then in

1881
01:23:51,970 --> 01:23:48,680
December twenty twenty one or twenty one

1882
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:51,980
twenty two of 1978 there were sightings

1883
01:24:01,390 --> 01:23:57,520
by pilots flying nighttime flights of a

1884
01:24:03,370 --> 01:24:01,400
freight for aircraft off the coast off

1885
01:24:06,010 --> 01:24:03,380
the east coast of a South Island of New

1886
01:24:08,830 --> 01:24:06,020
Zealand and these sightings involved

1887
01:24:11,380 --> 01:24:08,840
ground radar as well as a multiple

1888
01:24:14,380 --> 01:24:11,390
witness sightings on the ground and in

1889
01:24:17,140 --> 01:24:14,390
the air and they were written up in the

1890
01:24:19,690 --> 01:24:17,150
New Zealand press and publicized also in

1891
01:24:24,010 --> 01:24:19,700
Australia so there were some news from

1892
01:24:26,590 --> 01:24:24,020
UFOs UFO stories from the December 21 22

1893
01:24:28,180 --> 01:24:26,600
sightings that were publicized and

1894
01:24:30,490 --> 01:24:28,190
generated interest in the subject again

1895
01:24:32,500 --> 01:24:30,500
and this producer guy in channel all

1896
01:24:35,980 --> 01:24:32,510
thought well why not do a little

1897
01:24:39,330 --> 01:24:35,990
documentary on those sightings to show

1898
01:24:40,650 --> 01:24:39,340
on New Year's Eve to increase our

1899
01:24:44,710 --> 01:24:40,660
[Music]

1900
01:24:47,110 --> 01:24:44,720
viewership so he calls up a reporter who

1901
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:47,120
worked at channel Oh but was the native

1902
01:24:52,900 --> 01:24:49,040
of New Zealand in New Zealand the

1903
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:52,910
Christmas vacation and told them why he

1904
01:24:56,290 --> 01:24:54,080
had to put together a little documentary

1905
01:24:58,180 --> 01:24:56,300
on the previous sightings this would be

1906
01:25:01,270 --> 01:24:58,190
a guy very Quentin Fogerty the reporter

1907
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:01,280
and so Quentin hires a cameraman and a

1908
01:25:06,580 --> 01:25:03,530
carrot and a sigh recordist the Koran

1909
01:25:09,700 --> 01:25:06,590
and his wife and they arranged to

1910
01:25:12,190 --> 01:25:09,710
interview the air traffic controllers at

1911
01:25:13,210 --> 01:25:12,200
the air traffic control centre and also

1912
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:13,220
a pilot's

1913
01:25:17,710 --> 01:25:15,410
involved and he's done all this stuff

1914
01:25:20,230 --> 01:25:17,720
and he manages also again self on one

1915
01:25:24,510 --> 01:25:20,240
actual aircraft to refi the flight

1916
01:25:26,980 --> 01:25:24,520
served as a background for the for this

1917
01:25:30,010 --> 01:25:26,990
little documentary any plans to have

1918
01:25:31,540 --> 01:25:30,020
himself standing up to do to stand up to

1919
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:31,550
the belly of the aircraft on top of a

1920
01:25:37,210 --> 01:25:33,410
whole bunch of newspapers that the

1921
01:25:38,740 --> 01:25:37,220
aircraft is carrying and he has the

1922
01:25:40,990 --> 01:25:38,750
cameraman down there and the sound

1923
01:25:42,580 --> 01:25:41,000
recordist is recording him and he stanza

1924
01:25:45,610 --> 01:25:42,590
the stand up which says we're not flying

1925
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:45,620
along the route they had two weeks ago

1926
01:25:50,500 --> 01:25:48,080
and they saw stuff and we're gonna keep

1927
01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:50,510
our eyes open he was planning to do

1928
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:53,450
another stand up they were to when at

1929
01:25:57,160 --> 01:25:55,730
Christchurch where the plane was heading

1930
01:26:00,820 --> 01:25:57,170
for from Wellington to Christchurch

1931
01:26:02,830 --> 01:26:00,830
deliver newspapers he was flying to the

1932
01:26:04,690 --> 01:26:02,840
second stand up on the bow the aircraft

1933
01:26:07,810 --> 01:26:04,700
saying well we've flown through the area

1934
01:26:09,340 --> 01:26:07,820
and we had didn't see anything but we're

1935
01:26:11,470 --> 01:26:09,350
here we're going I'm gonna tell you

1936
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:11,480
about the previous sightings of radar

1937
01:26:15,610 --> 01:26:12,880
visual guys

1938
01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:15,620
he'd never got to do the second end up

1939
01:26:21,310 --> 01:26:19,520
the captain and co-pilot copilot as as

1940
01:26:22,420 --> 01:26:21,320
they flew south from Wellington started

1941
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:22,430
seeing lights appearing and disappearing

1942
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:24,770
off the coast of a place called kaikoura

1943
01:26:29,710 --> 01:26:26,810
an east coast of the South Island of New

1944
01:26:31,480 --> 01:26:29,720
Zealand and these lights would come on

1945
01:26:32,860 --> 01:26:31,490
and look like a beam would go down to

1946
01:26:34,990 --> 01:26:32,870
the surface and then the likelihood

1947
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:35,000
disappear and up here against where else

1948
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:36,770
the Pirates had looked at him like a

1949
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:38,690
search operation going on but he didn't

1950
01:26:44,230 --> 01:26:43,010
know what was going on they call up the

1951
01:26:45,490 --> 01:26:44,240
Wellington air traffic control centre

1952
01:26:48,580 --> 01:26:45,500
nationals they had any targets in that

1953
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:48,590
area and this is about 25 20 miles from

1954
01:26:52,450 --> 01:26:51,290
the airplane at the time and an air

1955
01:26:54,700 --> 01:26:52,460
traffic controller says we do have

1956
01:26:58,090 --> 01:26:54,710
targets appearing and disappearing so

1957
01:26:59,410 --> 01:26:58,100
for the next half an hour approximately

1958
01:27:00,270 --> 01:26:59,420
to fit the airplane to fly to

1959
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:00,280
Christchurch

1960
01:27:06,910 --> 01:27:02,930
anomalous things happened in the

1961
01:27:08,500 --> 01:27:06,920
airplane saw lights the radar saw radar

1962
01:27:10,870 --> 01:27:08,510
targets sometimes there was a

1963
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:10,880
correlation at one point something got

1964
01:27:14,980 --> 01:27:13,010
so close to the airplane that the radar

1965
01:27:18,090 --> 01:27:14,990
target doubled in size according to the

1966
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:18,100
air traffic controller at which time the

1967
01:27:23,260 --> 01:27:20,480
news reporter looked out the side of the

1968
01:27:24,690 --> 01:27:23,270
aircraft and saw this flashing light it

1969
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:24,700
seemed to be traveling along with them

1970
01:27:30,940 --> 01:27:28,610
then they lighted a Christchurch and the

1971
01:27:33,250 --> 01:27:30,950
reporter decided to go back

1972
01:27:34,810 --> 01:27:33,260
the airplane had to fly back north along

1973
01:27:36,550 --> 01:27:34,820
the coast through the same carrier they

1974
01:27:38,530 --> 01:27:36,560
just come in order to go to his home

1975
01:27:41,140 --> 01:27:38,540
base in a place called Blenheim in the

1976
01:27:43,630 --> 01:27:41,150
north end of the South Island as they're

1977
01:27:45,370 --> 01:27:43,640
leaving the airplane as they take off

1978
01:27:47,260 --> 01:27:45,380
from Christchurch now heading north

1979
01:27:49,690 --> 01:27:47,270
previously they're heading south now

1980
01:27:51,550 --> 01:27:49,700
heading north they see his really bright

1981
01:27:53,530 --> 01:27:51,560
light appearing and the caravan starts

1982
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:53,540
filming and this is the section of a

1983
01:27:59,080 --> 01:27:56,570
film that was shown mostly on TV at the

1984
01:28:03,190 --> 01:27:59,090
time there were those extremely bright

1985
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:03,200
light and all our film images I was able

1986
01:28:08,830 --> 01:28:06,050
to deduce the the brightness of this

1987
01:28:10,930 --> 01:28:08,840
light it was equivalent to a couple

1988
01:28:13,030 --> 01:28:10,940
hundred thousand watts of a electric

1989
01:28:16,810 --> 01:28:13,040
light if you were to generate this model

1990
01:28:19,930 --> 01:28:16,820
right with electricity and the obviously

1991
01:28:22,540 --> 01:28:19,940
moved with respect to the aircraft at

1992
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:22,550
one time was traveling faster than the

1993
01:28:26,830 --> 01:28:25,040
aircraft was traveling there was it has

1994
01:28:30,250 --> 01:28:26,840
been identified I put in close

1995
01:28:32,350 --> 01:28:30,260
identified as a squid boat if it was it

1996
01:28:36,100 --> 01:28:32,360
was the world's fastest squid boat able

1997
01:28:41,340 --> 01:28:36,110
to able to fish from a distance altitude

1998
01:28:43,570 --> 01:28:41,350
above 3,000 feet anyway I spent a

1999
01:28:47,380 --> 01:28:43,580
considerable amount of time analyzing

2000
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:47,390
this I actually took a trip to a New

2001
01:28:53,020 --> 01:28:49,010
Zealand Australia to talk to all

2002
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:53,030
witnesses and I got copies of the film I

2003
01:28:57,370 --> 01:28:54,650
actually had the original film in my

2004
01:28:59,980 --> 01:28:57,380
house for a period of time I got copies

2005
01:29:03,760 --> 01:28:59,990
of the film and analyzed and I spent

2006
01:29:07,780 --> 01:29:03,770
hundreds of hours on it I read I spent

2007
01:29:10,570 --> 01:29:07,790
hundreds of hours on it and concluded

2008
01:29:13,540 --> 01:29:10,580
that they these lights or film could not

2009
01:29:16,060 --> 01:29:13,550
be explained you didn't see a lot of

2010
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:16,070
structure or whatever you couldn't tell

2011
01:29:20,610 --> 01:29:17,840
what it was but you could tell it wasn't

2012
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:20,620
supposed to be there it was a real UFO

2013
01:29:25,890 --> 01:29:23,330
and I wrote an article short article

2014
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:25,900
appeared in his journal applied optics

2015
01:29:30,089 --> 01:29:27,890
scientists in New Zealand who didn't

2016
01:29:32,939 --> 01:29:30,099
believe in

2017
01:29:35,189 --> 01:29:32,949
results of my analysis came up with an

2018
01:29:37,589 --> 01:29:35,199
explanation this thing with a squid boat

2019
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:37,599
and then I and so they published a short

2020
01:29:41,939 --> 01:29:40,000
article staying with the squid boat and

2021
01:29:44,780 --> 01:29:41,949
I published a rebuttal saying if this if

2022
01:29:48,629 --> 01:29:44,790
it were true this squid boat had to move

2023
01:29:50,189 --> 01:29:48,639
so anyway that's a very brief version of

2024
01:29:52,050 --> 01:29:50,199
those zealand stuff there's a long let

2025
01:29:56,700 --> 01:29:52,060
that be bunking sounds little pitch to

2026
01:30:01,379 --> 01:29:56,710
me there's a lot of big articles out on

2027
01:30:04,919 --> 01:30:01,389
my website yeah well let's move on to

2028
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:04,929
Gulf Breeze of course this is a quite a

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01:30:11,550 --> 01:30:08,650
famous case that many people even with

2030
01:30:13,890 --> 01:30:11,560
just a peripheral knowledge of UFOs and

2031
01:30:16,740 --> 01:30:13,900
ufology are aware of of course it was a

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best-selling book by ed Walters why

2033
01:30:23,819 --> 01:30:18,070
don't you give us some background about

2034
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the case and how much when in the

2035
01:30:28,260 --> 01:30:26,440
process you actually got involved I'll

2036
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:28,270
tell you what we will learn about Gulf

2037
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Breeze in our next segment with dr.

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2143
01:34:34,220 --> 01:34:32,310
experience the airiness and flawless

2144
01:34:36,410 --> 01:34:34,230
coverage of youngevity mineral makeup

2145
01:34:38,180 --> 01:34:36,420
you will never use anything else with

2146
01:34:39,950 --> 01:34:38,190
youngevity the perception of your

2147
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:39,960
complexion will be natural perfection

2148
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:41,970
animal friendly mineral makeup at

2149
01:34:47,870 --> 01:34:44,970
Marylou health that's ma RI lu health

2150
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:47,880
calm or call eight five five three two

2151
01:35:01,090 --> 01:34:50,650
one health

2152
01:35:12,890 --> 01:35:09,760
[Music]

2153
01:35:14,780 --> 01:35:12,900
so now dr. Bruce Maccabee will begin to

2154
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:14,790
tell us in the final five segments of

2155
01:35:19,190 --> 01:35:17,610
this episode about Gulf Breeze and he'll

2156
01:35:20,540 --> 01:35:19,200
answer some of more of your questions

2157
01:35:23,300 --> 01:35:20,550
about his research

2158
01:35:25,460 --> 01:35:23,310
Bruce well it's a very complicated case

2159
01:35:27,830 --> 01:35:25,470
because this is not just a lot of people

2160
01:35:30,290 --> 01:35:27,840
remember mostly ed Walters in his

2161
01:35:33,950 --> 01:35:30,300
photographs this involves literally

2162
01:35:36,440 --> 01:35:33,960
hundreds of other people as well it's

2163
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:36,450
not just like in a New Zealand case that

2164
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:38,010
if you understood what happened within

2165
01:35:43,190 --> 01:35:40,650
an hour time frame you understood what

2166
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:43,200
was going on about sightings that occur

2167
01:35:51,940 --> 01:35:47,570
all the years starting in November of

2168
01:35:57,430 --> 01:35:51,950
1987 and running up into the middle 90s

2169
01:36:03,710 --> 01:35:57,440
as last photograph being in 97 I think

2170
01:36:05,810 --> 01:36:03,720
anyway November 11th 1987 was a day that

2171
01:36:07,580 --> 01:36:05,820
will live in infamy aside from the fact

2172
01:36:08,930 --> 01:36:07,590
that I know nothing about was going on

2173
01:36:11,300 --> 01:36:08,940
in Gulf Breeze Florida at the point I

2174
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:11,310
was more taken by the fact that we had a

2175
01:36:16,250 --> 01:36:13,650
foot of snow in Washington DC on

2176
01:36:21,890 --> 01:36:16,260
November 11th that would be Veterans Day

2177
01:36:23,540 --> 01:36:21,900
in 1987 so at the same time I was

2178
01:36:28,100 --> 01:36:23,550
freezing in New York City was a hot time

2179
01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:28,110
UFO wash and Gulf Breeze it begins at

2180
01:36:36,110 --> 01:36:33,450
2:30 in the morning with a dog that

2181
01:36:37,820 --> 01:36:36,120
wants to go out wakes up its master lady

2182
01:36:41,900 --> 01:36:37,830
mine of the examine was the wife of a

2183
01:36:43,580 --> 01:36:41,910
yeah maybe Admiral and she thinks the

2184
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:43,590
dog wants to go for the obvious region a

2185
01:36:48,620 --> 01:36:46,410
typical reason and so she takes the dog

2186
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:48,630
to the back door and the dog instead of

2187
01:36:52,420 --> 01:36:50,730
running out onto the lawn it goes out

2188
01:36:54,710 --> 01:36:52,430
the door it looks up and starts barking

2189
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:54,720
so she looked out but it isn't about

2190
01:36:59,530 --> 01:36:57,090
walking is that she just was stunned to

2191
01:37:03,140 --> 01:36:59,540
see this bright light up above and some

2192
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:03,150
object with a clear shape she could see

2193
01:37:08,480 --> 01:37:05,520
this thing because the moon was full at

2194
01:37:10,010 --> 01:37:08,490
night and it was learning it was

2195
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:10,020
lighting up this object there was

2196
01:37:14,690 --> 01:37:12,810
hundreds of feet above her and had a

2197
01:37:16,710 --> 01:37:14,700
beam of blue light coming down hitting a

2198
01:37:19,230 --> 01:37:16,720
dock they

2199
01:37:21,420 --> 01:37:19,240
one of these canals in the Florida we're

2200
01:37:24,450 --> 01:37:21,430
talking about Gulf Breeze Florida it's

2201
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:24,460
flat there and Sandy and uh we're very

2202
01:37:29,490 --> 01:37:26,890
close to the Gulf of Mexico so anyway

2203
01:37:31,530 --> 01:37:29,500
she sees this object with a beam coming

2204
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:31,540
down and she said in her report her

2205
01:37:36,540 --> 01:37:32,890
first thought was they're coming to take

2206
01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:36,550
my dog she turns around to the dog back

2207
01:37:41,010 --> 01:37:39,520
into the house and she thought oh I'll

2208
01:37:44,340 --> 01:37:41,020
tell somebody about it tomorrow when I

2209
01:37:46,290 --> 01:37:44,350
wake up the next day she decided against

2210
01:37:47,610 --> 01:37:46,300
telling anybody if she wouldn't have

2211
01:37:48,660 --> 01:37:47,620
told anybody that hadn't meant for

2212
01:37:51,570 --> 01:37:48,670
pictures that were published a week

2213
01:37:53,490 --> 01:37:51,580
later heads pictures so anyway that was

2214
01:37:54,990 --> 01:37:53,500
that's how it began then there was a

2215
01:37:56,940 --> 01:37:55,000
sighting at 8 o'clock in the morning by

2216
01:38:01,200 --> 01:37:56,950
a guy who was out in the road he saw

2217
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:01,210
this strange object hovering and a

2218
01:38:06,240 --> 01:38:02,890
couple of jet planes came flying along

2219
01:38:07,980 --> 01:38:06,250
and like they were chasing it and it

2220
01:38:11,690 --> 01:38:07,990
slipped off faster than they were going

2221
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:11,700
so there was another sighting an easing

2222
01:38:18,210 --> 01:38:16,930
by a guy and his wife who were the guy

2223
01:38:21,780 --> 01:38:18,220
was the former editor of the local

2224
01:38:24,390 --> 01:38:21,790
weekly newspaper the I can't hold a golf

2225
01:38:25,970 --> 01:38:24,400
brief Sentinel was unable oh the weekly

2226
01:38:29,060 --> 01:38:25,980
newspaper he had been the editor of it

2227
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:29,070
he and his wife saw this object

2228
01:38:34,650 --> 01:38:32,170
traveling through the sky about 6

2229
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:34,660
o'clock there are a couple other

2230
01:38:43,230 --> 01:38:38,170
sightings and then the last one I guess

2231
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:43,240
that night I was in the evening ed

2232
01:38:47,460 --> 01:38:45,730
Walters was sitting at his desk wish I'd

2233
01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:47,470
had a window look to the north at least

2234
01:38:53,910 --> 01:38:50,320
and he saw the strange object

2235
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:53,920
approaching him closing his house and he

2236
01:38:59,640 --> 01:38:57,010
got up out of the front door to look at

2237
01:39:01,320 --> 01:38:59,650
it more carefully realizing what a

2238
01:39:03,380 --> 01:39:01,330
strange thing and he thought his first

2239
01:39:07,500 --> 01:39:03,390
thought was to try to call the police

2240
01:39:09,060 --> 01:39:07,510
but the second part was they little be

2241
01:39:10,050 --> 01:39:09,070
gone it's moving so it'll be gone by the

2242
01:39:13,470 --> 01:39:10,060
time the police get here

2243
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:13,480
take a picture so here I am got a camera

2244
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:15,760
that he used to take photos he was a

2245
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:19,330
house builder a general contractor for

2246
01:39:24,030 --> 01:39:22,210
building houses and he would take these

2247
01:39:26,900 --> 01:39:24,040
polaroid pictures of the houses in

2248
01:39:28,950 --> 01:39:26,910
various stages of development for

2249
01:39:30,430 --> 01:39:28,960
record-keeping purposes so he grabbed

2250
01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:30,440
his Polaroid camera which is

2251
01:39:37,150 --> 01:39:32,719
all the type of coal right or you take a

2252
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:37,160
picture then you pull a tab out paper

2253
01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:40,370
from the camera that opposed the exposed

2254
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:43,730
picture and it pulls on a roll that's in

2255
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:45,770
the camera of the explosive developer

2256
01:39:50,380 --> 01:39:48,770
and the camera action automatically

2257
01:39:52,150 --> 01:39:50,390
presses the developer against the

2258
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:52,160
picture and you lose it in the camera

2259
01:39:57,600 --> 01:39:55,250
for 60 seconds and the picture develops

2260
01:40:01,240 --> 01:39:57,610
and you open the back of the camera and

2261
01:40:04,090 --> 01:40:01,250
the picture is on perforated paper you

2262
01:40:06,310 --> 01:40:04,100
pull up a pro-rated paper out and you

2263
01:40:08,620 --> 01:40:06,320
got yourself a instant what was then

2264
01:40:10,300 --> 01:40:08,630
considered an instant picture don't find

2265
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:10,310
any of that stuff nowadays because of

2266
01:40:15,550 --> 01:40:11,570
course you get instant pictures from

2267
01:40:19,870 --> 01:40:15,560
with electronic cameras anyway he takes

2268
01:40:21,580 --> 01:40:19,880
a day he he took a series of pictures he

2269
01:40:23,500 --> 01:40:21,590
tried to get one picture where he was

2270
01:40:24,970 --> 01:40:23,510
one underneath the camera underneath the

2271
01:40:29,290 --> 01:40:24,980
object itself as it was hovering over

2272
01:40:30,939 --> 01:40:29,300
the road and everything it's this

2273
01:40:34,810 --> 01:40:30,949
picture he gets he's gonna take another

2274
01:40:37,630 --> 01:40:34,820
one and all of a sudden he's in find

2275
01:40:39,670 --> 01:40:37,640
himself and moves immersed he said was

2276
01:40:42,340 --> 01:40:39,680
like encased in concrete he couldn't

2277
01:40:46,420 --> 01:40:42,350
move anything and everything was sort of

2278
01:40:47,830 --> 01:40:46,430
bluish to him and the images and stuff

2279
01:40:50,380 --> 01:40:47,840
were going through his head very

2280
01:40:53,110 --> 01:40:50,390
complicated description he's written

2281
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:53,120
down in his book and all of a sudden

2282
01:40:59,130 --> 01:40:56,330
he's falling downwards as if he had been

2283
01:41:01,180 --> 01:40:59,140
dropped he lands on the road face down

2284
01:41:03,010 --> 01:41:01,190
turns over and looks up and there's

2285
01:41:09,070 --> 01:41:03,020
nothing there except a small airplane

2286
01:41:10,660 --> 01:41:09,080
way off in the distance and he picks

2287
01:41:13,660 --> 01:41:10,670
himself up off the road wondering what

2288
01:41:16,330 --> 01:41:13,670
the hell had just happened and he sees

2289
01:41:18,130 --> 01:41:16,340
these pictures of years been taking he

2290
01:41:20,770 --> 01:41:18,140
didn't bother to wait for the pictures

2291
01:41:27,220 --> 01:41:20,780
to develop a minute he is reply without

2292
01:41:28,300 --> 01:41:27,230
these pictures and he walked over and

2293
01:41:29,820 --> 01:41:28,310
picked up the pictures and sure enough

2294
01:41:32,170 --> 01:41:29,830
here's the object that he had just seen

2295
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:32,180
his wife came home she's been shopping

2296
01:41:39,550 --> 01:41:36,610
she came home at that point he told her

2297
01:41:40,930 --> 01:41:39,560
what had happened she didn't know

2298
01:41:43,060 --> 01:41:40,940
whether the wave or not it was clear

2299
01:41:45,069 --> 01:41:43,070
that uh he was very distraught here

2300
01:41:48,909 --> 01:41:45,079
strange over

2301
01:41:51,080 --> 01:41:48,919
well I so began the situation for Edie

2302
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:51,090
as far as the other people are concerned

2303
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:52,800
they would not have told anybody about

2304
01:42:00,799 --> 01:41:56,639
what they saw or the fact that had

2305
01:42:03,099 --> 01:42:00,809
decided after in wonder whether she

2306
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:03,109
should tell anybody because he thought

2307
01:42:07,489 --> 01:42:05,489
this thing picked me up some distance

2308
01:42:11,089 --> 01:42:07,499
and dropped me what if I had been a

2309
01:42:12,500 --> 01:42:11,099
little child and well maybe I was too

2310
01:42:14,869 --> 01:42:12,510
heavy for it but a little kid that could

2311
01:42:16,599 --> 01:42:14,879
pick up and take away so he was worried

2312
01:42:19,609 --> 01:42:16,609
that uh there might be something

2313
01:42:23,509 --> 01:42:19,619
dangerous to one of these objects uh a

2314
01:42:25,069 --> 01:42:23,519
flyover and Catholic to capture a kid he

2315
01:42:27,889 --> 01:42:25,079
debated with his wife was whether to

2316
01:42:30,129 --> 01:42:27,899
tell anybody and if I decided to take

2317
01:42:33,049 --> 01:42:30,139
the pictures to the local paper thus a

2318
01:42:37,449 --> 01:42:33,059
weekly Sentinel published on Thursdays

2319
01:42:39,770 --> 01:42:37,459
and with a story that was taken by mr. X

2320
01:42:42,169 --> 01:42:39,780
he didn't admit to having taken the

2321
01:42:46,549 --> 01:42:42,179
pictures I saw the pictures got

2322
01:42:48,979 --> 01:42:46,559
published the week later this was two

2323
01:42:51,919 --> 01:42:48,989
weeks after the sighting he he took the

2324
01:42:53,509 --> 01:42:51,929
pictures to the newspaper the week after

2325
01:42:56,810 --> 01:42:53,519
the event and then two weeks after the

2326
01:43:01,040 --> 01:42:56,820
event they were published and at that

2327
01:43:02,750 --> 01:43:01,050
point if I tell my time incorrectly at

2328
01:43:04,099 --> 01:43:02,760
that point the other witnesses came

2329
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:04,109
forward and said hey we saw the same

2330
01:43:10,429 --> 01:43:07,530
thing so as far as the UFO investigators

2331
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:10,439
were concerned by the beginning there's

2332
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:12,090
this start in the liberal eventho by the

2333
01:43:17,419 --> 01:43:15,090
beginning of December they had mr.

2334
01:43:19,639 --> 01:43:17,429
actual photos and a number of witnesses

2335
01:43:23,500 --> 01:43:19,649
who didn't have photos they had explicit

2336
01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:27,109
discontinued for Edie and to some extent

2337
01:43:31,279 --> 01:43:29,760
for other witnesses during December he

2338
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:31,289
got a lot of photos and a lot early

2339
01:43:35,959 --> 01:43:34,530
different events and I can't recall them

2340
01:43:39,109 --> 01:43:35,969
all now I used to be able to recite the

2341
01:43:40,339 --> 01:43:39,119
whole thing years ago but I really

2342
01:43:43,509 --> 01:43:40,349
haven't got time to go into all the

2343
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:43,519
details of each individual case I guess

2344
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:47,280
anyway he had several events one with

2345
01:43:56,270 --> 01:43:50,010
his family being involved and one with a

2346
01:43:58,510 --> 01:43:56,280
video during December and by during the

2347
01:44:01,840 --> 01:43:58,520
summer the new find investigate

2348
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:01,850
figured out that mr. X was actually the

2349
01:44:05,260 --> 01:44:03,770
photographer but they didn't say

2350
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:05,270
anything they waited for him to admit it

2351
01:44:10,260 --> 01:44:08,530
he finally did in January of 1988

2352
01:44:14,550 --> 01:44:10,270
admitted that he was the photographer

2353
01:44:17,530 --> 01:44:14,560
and he was willing to go through all his

2354
01:44:22,540 --> 01:44:17,540
events and so they interviewed him for a

2355
01:44:28,230 --> 01:44:22,550
couple of hours now events happened

2356
01:44:32,220 --> 01:44:28,240
continually in January or February and

2357
01:44:35,470 --> 01:44:32,230
the word about this phenomenon of

2358
01:44:39,060 --> 01:44:35,480
multiple photos and so on was getting

2359
01:44:42,460 --> 01:44:39,070
out and being circulated around MUFON

2360
01:44:44,860 --> 01:44:42,470
but Hoffman's went to Gulf Breeze and

2361
01:44:47,530 --> 01:44:44,870
talked to the family members and learn

2362
01:44:48,970 --> 01:44:47,540
about their sightings concluded that

2363
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:48,980
this was probably real because he

2364
01:44:54,460 --> 01:44:51,410
couldn't imagine it did not seem to be a

2365
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:54,470
sociopath somebody who could tell

2366
01:44:58,990 --> 01:44:55,850
stories and believe them even though

2367
01:45:01,780 --> 01:44:59,000
they're all wrong he didn't think he was

2368
01:45:05,980 --> 01:45:01,790
a successful home builder he had to have

2369
01:45:07,450 --> 01:45:05,990
some credibility and the Corsair was a

2370
01:45:09,730 --> 01:45:07,460
family involved in one particular

2371
01:45:13,930 --> 01:45:09,740
sighting that was quite with the clay

2372
01:45:16,060 --> 01:45:13,940
amazing so we'll get back to Ed Walters

2373
01:45:18,460 --> 01:45:16,070
Gulf Breeze lots more with dr. Bruce

2374
01:45:21,100 --> 01:45:18,470
Maccabee with gene and Kris you're in

2375
01:45:28,830 --> 01:45:21,110
the pair Academy

2376
01:45:34,650 --> 01:45:31,780
free from the shackles of Corporate

2377
01:45:40,780 --> 01:45:34,660
America we're the place for independent

2378
01:45:42,700 --> 01:45:40,790
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2379
01:45:44,350 --> 01:45:42,710
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2380
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2381
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2384
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2385
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2386
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2387
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2388
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2389
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2390
01:46:07,210 --> 01:46:05,270
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2391
01:46:09,610 --> 01:46:07,220
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2392
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:09,620
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2393
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:11,690
grow cotton wheat fabric engraving can

2394
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:13,370
bed strips and fibers to protect from

2395
01:46:16,690 --> 01:46:14,930
counterfeit than carding to a private

2396
01:46:18,490 --> 01:46:16,700
bank having it led back at interest

2397
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:18,500
forcing taxes to service debt this

2398
01:46:21,790 --> 01:46:20,330
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

2399
01:46:23,410 --> 01:46:21,800
stating a central bank issuing the

2400
01:46:24,550 --> 01:46:23,420
public currency is a greater menace to

2401
01:46:25,900 --> 01:46:24,560
the liberties of the people than a

2402
01:46:27,340 --> 01:46:25,910
standing army today I understand I'm

2403
01:46:29,170 --> 01:46:27,350
placing a free silver dollar in a book

2404
01:46:32,620 --> 01:46:29,180
that explains our monetary system call

2405
01:46:35,830 --> 01:46:32,630
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

2406
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:35,840
to understand the system call 866 to 237

2407
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that's 800 686 to 237 question could too

2408
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many GMO foods and toxins be overloading

2409
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2410
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2415
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2419
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2420
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2422
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2427
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:29,810
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2428
01:47:34,300 --> 01:47:32,570
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2429
01:47:35,540 --> 01:47:34,310
nine three six seven eight also

2430
01:47:38,090 --> 01:47:35,550
available through Amazon

2431
01:47:38,910 --> 01:47:38,100
pro-am one from tarragon --ax life's

2432
01:47:46,480 --> 01:47:38,920
getting better

2433
01:47:54,490 --> 01:47:50,180
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2434
01:48:02,900 --> 01:47:54,500
standard of paranormal radio and now

2435
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:02,910
here's Jane Steinberg now maybe we

2436
01:48:07,310 --> 01:48:04,290
should get this out of the way of the

2437
01:48:10,010 --> 01:48:07,320
outset here Bruce there happen questions

2438
01:48:12,190 --> 01:48:10,020
about red Walters credibility as you

2439
01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:12,200
know one that he had some kind of

2440
01:48:20,750 --> 01:48:15,330
run-ins with the law for example yeah

2441
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:20,760
when he was 19 he was a bad boy and got

2442
01:48:24,710 --> 01:48:23,010
caught trying to cash somebody else's

2443
01:48:27,170 --> 01:48:24,720
check forging a forging occurs here

2444
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:27,180
spent a couple of years in prison and

2445
01:48:32,120 --> 01:48:30,090
there's late 30s early 40s at the time

2446
01:48:35,210 --> 01:48:32,130
of these sightings he applies for a

2447
01:48:38,420 --> 01:48:35,220
complete pardon or clearing of his name

2448
01:48:40,070 --> 01:48:38,430
and so while new pond investigators were

2449
01:48:42,140 --> 01:48:40,080
running around investigating at UFO

2450
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:42,150
sightings Department was in Florida

2451
01:48:46,730 --> 01:48:43,920
Department of Justice investigators were

2452
01:48:50,300 --> 01:48:46,740
investigating ed Walters and guess what

2453
01:48:52,610 --> 01:48:50,310
the he'd done enough good things I guess

2454
01:48:55,210 --> 01:48:52,620
you could say so the balance off the bat

2455
01:48:59,300 --> 01:48:55,220
stuff he did when he was 19 and they

2456
01:49:01,210 --> 01:48:59,310
erased his record and as long as the

2457
01:49:03,410 --> 01:49:01,220
other fella and he couldn't own a gun

2458
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:03,420
after they erase his record he could own

2459
01:49:06,470 --> 01:49:05,370
the gun if he wanted to join because

2460
01:49:10,250 --> 01:49:06,480
they didn't find anything

2461
01:49:11,990 --> 01:49:10,260
he character deficiency and his dealings

2462
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:12,000
in the ordinary stuff and of course ed

2463
01:49:15,500 --> 01:49:13,290
said well of course I had to tell him

2464
01:49:19,610 --> 01:49:15,510
all that stuff about the UFOs as well so

2465
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:19,620
anyway so the question was was he in

2466
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:21,810
imbed of the law on the answer is yes

2467
01:49:27,170 --> 01:49:24,570
but the law ultimately exonerated him

2468
01:49:30,170 --> 01:49:27,180
for everything the other issue here was

2469
01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:30,180
supposedly he had made the pictures fake

2470
01:49:34,790 --> 01:49:32,370
pictures of ghosts for his daughter

2471
01:49:36,260 --> 01:49:34,800
what's that about

2472
01:49:38,900 --> 01:49:36,270
[Music]

2473
01:49:42,020 --> 01:49:38,910
the ghost photos argument is important

2474
01:49:46,610 --> 01:49:42,030
only point of view of double exposing

2475
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:46,620
film and the argument goes as pictures

2476
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:49,290
are all double exposures I described the

2477
01:49:54,050 --> 01:49:51,690
double exposure already where you take a

2478
01:49:57,020 --> 01:49:54,060
picture of a background scene maybe a

2479
01:49:58,670 --> 01:49:57,030
dark scene at night well first of all

2480
01:50:01,520 --> 01:49:58,680
you take a picture of a UFO and you're

2481
01:50:05,150 --> 01:50:01,530
bathroom was totally dark there's no way

2482
01:50:07,850 --> 01:50:05,160
except on the UFO itself so $90 late

2483
01:50:09,710 --> 01:50:07,860
let's call a latent image on the

2484
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:09,720
Polaroid picture this is a latent image

2485
01:50:15,140 --> 01:50:12,170
it's it's there but it isn't developed

2486
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:15,150
you go outside and take a picture of the

2487
01:50:19,010 --> 01:50:17,010
background scene I did this with his

2488
01:50:21,620 --> 01:50:19,020
camera right in front of him he didn't

2489
01:50:23,870 --> 01:50:21,630
know what I was doing but basically it's

2490
01:50:26,540 --> 01:50:23,880
claimed that he knew all about double

2491
01:50:29,450 --> 01:50:26,550
exposures from these so-called ghost

2492
01:50:32,510 --> 01:50:29,460
photos you take one photo of the UFO in

2493
01:50:34,520 --> 01:50:32,520
the darkroom bloody thing is UFO then go

2494
01:50:36,770 --> 01:50:34,530
outside and take a picture of open the

2495
01:50:39,070 --> 01:50:36,780
sky and you want to have enough of light

2496
01:50:43,540 --> 01:50:39,080
so you can see that there's a background

2497
01:50:46,790 --> 01:50:43,550
then pull pull film out of it camera and

2498
01:50:48,290 --> 01:50:46,800
start the developing turned out with his

2499
01:50:50,090 --> 01:50:48,300
old camera you could click the shutter

2500
01:50:52,340 --> 01:50:50,100
any number of times before you pull the

2501
01:50:55,910 --> 01:50:52,350
film out so it's literally double

2502
01:51:01,520 --> 01:50:55,920
exposure yeah and I did it one of myself

2503
01:51:04,430 --> 01:51:01,530
by taking a picture of a lamp or post a

2504
01:51:07,670 --> 01:51:04,440
lamp it was our post at some distance

2505
01:51:10,670 --> 01:51:07,680
from his house so I was bright and then

2506
01:51:12,500 --> 01:51:10,680
I walked over to where he was standing

2507
01:51:15,860 --> 01:51:12,510
in front of his house talking to another

2508
01:51:18,350 --> 01:51:15,870
investigator and I said I think there's

2509
01:51:22,700 --> 01:51:18,360
a well I took it took the second picture

2510
01:51:24,440 --> 01:51:22,710
which showed a glow of the sky and the

2511
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:24,450
nearby trees and stuff like that so you

2512
01:51:28,670 --> 01:51:26,970
had a picture that you could hold the

2513
01:51:30,020 --> 01:51:28,680
picture up and say you knew where your

2514
01:51:32,270 --> 01:51:30,030
picture was taken because you could see

2515
01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:32,280
the year background sure enough in the

2516
01:51:36,890 --> 01:51:34,800
developed result there's this bright

2517
01:51:39,680 --> 01:51:36,900
light up in the sky and had walked

2518
01:51:43,130 --> 01:51:39,690
around around looking for one order to

2519
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:43,140
go I didn't see it I told them what I

2520
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:45,690
had done well the thing is the double

2521
01:51:50,750 --> 01:51:47,970
exposure was claimed to be the way he

2522
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:50,760
created all his pictures and the

2523
01:51:54,740 --> 01:51:53,370
skeptics claim that they could prove

2524
01:51:56,420 --> 01:51:54,750
that he knew how to do double exposures

2525
01:51:58,970 --> 01:51:56,430
because of these so-called ghost photos

2526
01:52:01,160 --> 01:51:58,980
and the ghost photo situation either to

2527
01:52:05,180 --> 01:52:01,170
take he and his wife would have parties

2528
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:05,190
for the kids and he said that he would

2529
01:52:10,100 --> 01:52:08,000
make a quote go-slow unquote by

2530
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:10,110
defocusing the lens and taking a picture

2531
01:52:12,660 --> 01:52:12,090
of somebody and make it make them look

2532
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:12,670
all

2533
01:52:18,330 --> 01:52:16,090
look funny like go see well it said one

2534
01:52:20,850 --> 01:52:18,340
picture which has some reflections of

2535
01:52:22,620 --> 01:52:20,860
something in the witnesses tried to

2536
01:52:25,320 --> 01:52:22,630
claim that go so far as to claim it was

2537
01:52:29,540 --> 01:52:25,330
a picture of the devil head and his wife

2538
01:52:33,060 --> 01:52:29,550
were playing around with a bad stuff and

2539
01:52:35,700 --> 01:52:33,070
scaring kids but the picture itself

2540
01:52:38,879 --> 01:52:35,710
really doesn't show anything you can see

2541
01:52:41,250 --> 01:52:38,889
the young lady and you can see some some

2542
01:52:43,470 --> 01:52:41,260
kind of an image image structure but it

2543
01:52:46,740 --> 01:52:43,480
doesn't look like anything it doesn't

2544
01:52:49,080 --> 01:52:46,750
fool with a double exposure well if you

2545
01:52:52,350 --> 01:52:49,090
meant you mentioned the devil and the

2546
01:52:54,629 --> 01:52:52,360
devil differ details definitely in some

2547
01:52:56,310 --> 01:52:54,639
of these photographs the most famous one

2548
01:52:59,760 --> 01:52:56,320
is the one where the object seems to be

2549
01:53:02,640 --> 01:52:59,770
hovering in front of his truck over the

2550
01:53:04,379 --> 01:53:02,650
road and one thing that I've noticed is

2551
01:53:07,050 --> 01:53:04,389
you see the reflection of the tree line

2552
01:53:09,570 --> 01:53:07,060
in his hood but you don't see the

2553
01:53:11,850 --> 01:53:09,580
reflection of the object that appears to

2554
01:53:14,990 --> 01:53:11,860
be self lumen ated fairly close to the

2555
01:53:17,370 --> 01:53:15,000
vehicle how did how do you explain that

2556
01:53:21,390 --> 01:53:17,380
well first of all let me say that his

2557
01:53:23,550 --> 01:53:21,400
photo number 11 taken at night when he

2558
01:53:25,109 --> 01:53:23,560
was a wake up in the middle of night by

2559
01:53:27,390 --> 01:53:25,119
one of these things coming right up next

2560
01:53:31,050 --> 01:53:27,400
to his house right next to the back door

2561
01:53:32,550 --> 01:53:31,060
of his bedroom and he chased it away he

2562
01:53:36,600 --> 01:53:32,560
grabbed his camera I ran after this

2563
01:53:38,970 --> 01:53:36,610
thing is he got a picture looking out in

2564
01:53:43,290 --> 01:53:38,980
this backyard which was basically a high

2565
01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:43,300
school play yard and you see the object

2566
01:53:46,979 --> 01:53:45,130
out there and you see this line blue

2567
01:53:49,950 --> 01:53:46,989
line coming down from the object and

2568
01:53:53,430 --> 01:53:49,960
ending some distance from the object

2569
01:53:54,959 --> 01:53:53,440
like a blue beam coming down well it

2570
01:53:58,590 --> 01:53:54,969
turns out of that blue beam image

2571
01:54:00,870 --> 01:53:58,600
crosses over the horizon line there's

2572
01:54:02,550 --> 01:54:00,880
enough of white in the sky so you can

2573
01:54:05,250 --> 01:54:02,560
see where the sky is and you can see

2574
01:54:10,229 --> 01:54:05,260
where the blue sky over all the sky line

2575
01:54:12,810 --> 01:54:10,239
is this is perfectly black the beam

2576
01:54:16,290 --> 01:54:12,820
comes down across is this boundary or

2577
01:54:18,209 --> 01:54:16,300
the light above dark ball across the

2578
01:54:19,649 --> 01:54:18,219
boundary but the blue beam color the

2579
01:54:21,870 --> 01:54:19,659
ruled brightness with blue beam does not

2580
01:54:23,970 --> 01:54:21,880
change at all unfortunately I didn't

2581
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:23,980
realize this until several years

2582
01:54:30,530 --> 01:54:26,610
afterwards when I was given a

2583
01:54:32,900 --> 01:54:30,540
image process by Jefferson you know I

2584
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:32,910
should have announced a write-off

2585
01:54:37,890 --> 01:54:35,290
because it proved that particular photo

2586
01:54:39,420 --> 01:54:37,900
release was not a double exposure hadn't

2587
01:54:41,460 --> 01:54:39,430
been a double exposure the brightness of

2588
01:54:43,140 --> 01:54:41,470
the Blue Beam above the horizon would

2589
01:54:45,180 --> 01:54:43,150
have been greater than the brightness of

2590
01:54:47,490 --> 01:54:45,190
the Blue Beam below the - that's because

2591
01:54:50,580 --> 01:54:47,500
double exposure or they can do to film

2592
01:54:54,810 --> 01:54:50,590
this add light you can subtract it or

2593
01:54:58,370 --> 01:54:54,820
add image you can subtract it so and up

2594
01:55:00,090 --> 01:54:58,380
above the all above the horizon line

2595
01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:00,100
thirty-year hey you would have the

2596
01:55:04,050 --> 01:55:01,570
brightness of the Blue Beam plus the

2597
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:04,060
brightness of the horizon right into the

2598
01:55:06,990 --> 01:55:05,770
sky and down below the horizon line you

2599
01:55:09,210 --> 01:55:07,000
have the brightness of the Blue Beam by

2600
01:55:11,820 --> 01:55:09,220
itself the brightness of the Blue Beam

2601
01:55:14,130 --> 01:55:11,830
plus this background sky should be

2602
01:55:16,740 --> 01:55:14,140
greater than the brightness of the Blue

2603
01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:16,750
Beam by itself if this earth double

2604
01:55:22,590 --> 01:55:18,850
exposure in other words if he had

2605
01:55:24,450 --> 01:55:22,600
somehow made a model with a blue ribbon

2606
01:55:27,120 --> 01:55:24,460
let's say extending downwards from a

2607
01:55:29,190 --> 01:55:27,130
Marvel and managed the white carefully

2608
01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:29,200
so there wasn't any background seated

2609
01:55:33,750 --> 01:55:31,360
stuff they all the way he does this all

2610
01:55:36,630 --> 01:55:33,760
in his bathrooms I say for example or

2611
01:55:38,970 --> 01:55:36,640
some special dark room he mejora grasp

2612
01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:38,980
the model with his blue ribbon hanging

2613
01:55:43,770 --> 01:55:41,290
down from it then he goes outside and he

2614
01:55:46,590 --> 01:55:43,780
very cleverly places the image of the

2615
01:55:48,660 --> 01:55:46,600
UFO up above the horizon and I'm beamed

2616
01:55:51,420 --> 01:55:48,670
coming down and crosses the horizon and

2617
01:55:54,360 --> 01:55:51,430
as I said the net result would be the

2618
01:55:56,010 --> 01:55:54,370
white from the background sky above the

2619
01:55:58,200 --> 01:55:56,020
horizon would add to the Blue Beam light

2620
01:56:00,720 --> 01:55:58,210
and there would be nothing below the

2621
01:56:04,520 --> 01:56:00,730
horizon editor like so you ought to if

2622
01:56:06,630 --> 01:56:04,530
you did a brightness scanned of the

2623
01:56:08,130 --> 01:56:06,640
along the length of this blue being

2624
01:56:10,340 --> 01:56:08,140
image you should find a drop in

2625
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:10,350
brightness of the horizon and you don't

2626
01:56:16,290 --> 01:56:12,970
it's almost as if the Blue Beam was

2627
01:56:18,630 --> 01:56:16,300
opaque so the bottom line is and be

2628
01:56:21,390 --> 01:56:18,640
impossible to do that as a simple double

2629
01:56:23,190 --> 01:56:21,400
exposure so I was one of the

2630
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:23,200
counter-arguments now you talk about the

2631
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:25,930
one on the road it was pointed out that

2632
01:56:32,130 --> 01:56:29,410
there were there's no light reflected in

2633
01:56:35,970 --> 01:56:32,140
the hood as they're very complicated in

2634
01:56:37,590 --> 01:56:35,980
the situation but I investigated that as

2635
01:56:38,220 --> 01:56:37,600
well turned out the desert had been in

2636
01:56:40,020 --> 01:56:38,230
an accident

2637
01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:40,030
he had a struck Parker there was

2638
01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:42,250
such insight there was in front of him a

2639
01:56:46,980 --> 01:56:45,130
backhoe and a backhoe guy was driving

2640
01:56:49,770 --> 01:56:46,990
the backhoe and accidentally backed into

2641
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:49,780
dead as truck causing the wrinkle or a

2642
01:56:55,380 --> 01:56:52,330
bend in the hood and this bend in the

2643
01:56:59,430 --> 01:56:55,390
hood offers explanation you cannot even

2644
01:57:01,590 --> 01:56:59,440
see not only the tree the tree line that

2645
01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:01,600
you're talking about in the hood but

2646
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:03,250
there's also an inverted picture of the

2647
01:57:08,850 --> 01:57:06,490
tree line that inverted picture is only

2648
01:57:10,980 --> 01:57:08,860
there because of a bend in the hood and

2649
01:57:13,410 --> 01:57:10,990
it just so happens that you work out the

2650
01:57:16,170 --> 01:57:13,420
reflections or there's one more thing to

2651
01:57:18,150 --> 01:57:16,180
and then when you've had the truck had a

2652
01:57:20,850 --> 01:57:18,160
whole bunch of so that watch to the back

2653
01:57:23,150 --> 01:57:20,860
end of it let's continue with the truck

2654
01:57:26,190 --> 01:57:23,160
and a configuration in our next segment

2655
01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:26,200
Bruce Maccabee is joining us we're

2656
01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:27,730
talking about the Gulf Breeze case

2657
01:57:32,820 --> 01:57:30,610
specifically ed Walters involvement in

2658
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:32,830
it were to come with jean and christian

2659
01:57:44,340 --> 01:57:41,530
liberec as neighbors are you tired of

2660
01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:44,350
dealing with a slow web hosting provider

2661
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:48,130
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2662
01:57:53,910 --> 01:57:50,770
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2663
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2664
01:57:59,730 --> 01:57:56,410
three hundred percent faster than the

2665
01:58:02,580 --> 01:57:59,740
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2666
01:58:06,750 --> 01:58:02,590
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2667
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2668
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okay so we're going through the details

2756
02:02:09,339 --> 02:02:06,949
about ed Walters Gulf Breeze UFO

2757
02:02:10,810 --> 02:02:09,349
sightings with gene and Chris and dr.

2758
02:02:14,109 --> 02:02:10,820
Bruce Maccabee Bruce you were talking

2759
02:02:16,330 --> 02:02:14,119
about his truck running took the picture

2760
02:02:17,470 --> 02:02:16,340
he had a whole bunch of a celebrity in

2761
02:02:19,660 --> 02:02:17,480
the back of this pickup truck that

2762
02:02:21,189 --> 02:02:19,670
causes the tilt upwards well it just so

2763
02:02:24,310 --> 02:02:21,199
happened that the crease in the front

2764
02:02:28,330 --> 02:02:24,320
the accident cars there would be a

2765
02:02:30,640 --> 02:02:28,340
double lowest height reflection I guess

2766
02:02:33,939 --> 02:02:30,650
you could say you started way up if he

2767
02:02:35,800 --> 02:02:33,949
started way up high at the distance of a

2768
02:02:39,640 --> 02:02:35,810
few thousand a few hundreds of feet

2769
02:02:42,430 --> 02:02:39,650
let's say the white Benway I have a life

2770
02:02:46,060 --> 02:02:42,440
in the hole been way up high it would

2771
02:02:49,979 --> 02:02:46,070
have appeared in the in the hood and as

2772
02:02:54,100 --> 02:02:49,989
you dropped the hypothetical white

2773
02:02:55,899 --> 02:02:54,110
downwards and downwards it would move

2774
02:03:02,040 --> 02:02:55,909
the image would move to the front of the

2775
02:03:05,320 --> 02:03:02,050
hood and ultimately disappear well we're

2776
02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:05,330
all gonna disappear someplace but well

2777
02:03:11,859 --> 02:03:09,290
below the tree line but the band of the

2778
02:03:15,399 --> 02:03:11,869
hood caused the optics to be different

2779
02:03:18,339 --> 02:03:15,409
from what you expect as you look along

2780
02:03:21,219 --> 02:03:18,349
the hood to where your

2781
02:03:23,529 --> 02:03:21,229
you see the tree line appear then

2782
02:03:26,310 --> 02:03:23,539
there's a little dark area and then the

2783
02:03:29,560 --> 02:03:26,320
tree line inverted because the

2784
02:03:32,529 --> 02:03:29,570
reflection is now going back up into the

2785
02:03:34,629 --> 02:03:32,539
sky you really need a diagram and it's

2786
02:03:37,629 --> 02:03:34,639
hard to describe for people who haven't

2787
02:03:38,949 --> 02:03:37,639
seen this picture they probably haven't

2788
02:03:41,229 --> 02:03:38,959
got a clue is what I'm talking about

2789
02:03:43,149 --> 02:03:41,239
it's very technical but the point is

2790
02:03:47,049 --> 02:03:43,159
there's an explanation for why I don't

2791
02:03:50,020 --> 02:03:47,059
see any lights and in the hood and I had

2792
02:03:52,779 --> 02:03:50,030
a doing some experiments with lights in

2793
02:03:55,770 --> 02:03:52,789
front of the hook in front of a truck at

2794
02:03:58,569 --> 02:03:55,780
the same place and they bear out the

2795
02:04:03,580 --> 02:03:58,579
explanation that I gave us a lie there

2796
02:04:05,549 --> 02:04:03,590
was no reflection in the hood well one

2797
02:04:10,629 --> 02:04:05,559
thing I should point out that this is

2798
02:04:15,310 --> 02:04:10,639
one of 30 some pictures that was taken

2799
02:04:21,159 --> 02:04:15,320
by Ed from between November 9th and

2800
02:04:24,819 --> 02:04:21,169
November 11th 1987 and the first of May

2801
02:04:27,459 --> 02:04:24,829
of 1988 there were other sightings as I

2802
02:04:30,399 --> 02:04:27,469
said the first night there was I think I

2803
02:04:33,520 --> 02:04:30,409
think 5 or 6 other sightings before

2804
02:04:37,479 --> 02:04:33,530
heads on that first night of November 11

2805
02:04:39,639 --> 02:04:37,489
1987 other witnesses had sightings some

2806
02:04:41,830 --> 02:04:39,649
even reporters submitted photographs to

2807
02:04:46,089 --> 02:04:41,840
the newspaper during late November in

2808
02:04:48,069 --> 02:04:46,099
the summer of the of 1987 in January of

2809
02:04:51,819 --> 02:04:48,079
1988 got a couple of pictures in

2810
02:04:54,819 --> 02:04:51,829
February he was given a sealed camera

2811
02:04:56,979 --> 02:04:54,829
the four lenses on it so a camera

2812
02:05:00,219 --> 02:04:56,989
invented by a guy named Jim slow the

2813
02:05:01,899 --> 02:05:00,229
nihms oil camera was designed to have

2814
02:05:03,489 --> 02:05:01,909
two and a half inch spacing between the

2815
02:05:06,639 --> 02:05:03,499
two outer lenses to give a

2816
02:05:08,739 --> 02:05:06,649
three-dimensional stereoscopic view of

2817
02:05:10,869 --> 02:05:08,749
whatever they take a picture of Ed was

2818
02:05:12,489 --> 02:05:10,879
told that this one's a camera had four

2819
02:05:14,739 --> 02:05:12,499
arms in the mood it would take four

2820
02:05:17,859 --> 02:05:14,749
individual pictures that would be useful

2821
02:05:19,629 --> 02:05:17,869
for getting a different analysts and he

2822
02:05:22,359 --> 02:05:19,639
was not told anything about the stereo

2823
02:05:24,669 --> 02:05:22,369
aspect the stereo aspect is important

2824
02:05:27,310 --> 02:05:24,679
because you could in principle calculate

2825
02:05:30,459 --> 02:05:27,320
the distance from the camera to an

2826
02:05:32,050 --> 02:05:30,469
object if you know the parallax the

2827
02:05:35,110 --> 02:05:32,060
spacing between the image

2828
02:05:36,400 --> 02:05:35,120
is in the to outer limits of lenses in

2829
02:05:39,790 --> 02:05:36,410
other words the same way your eyeballs

2830
02:05:41,920 --> 02:05:39,800
work if we can if your eyes are equal in

2831
02:05:43,900 --> 02:05:41,930
their capability of focus then you can

2832
02:05:47,280 --> 02:05:43,910
tell a distance of things like

2833
02:05:49,750 --> 02:05:47,290
stereoscopic view it was not told that

2834
02:05:52,870 --> 02:05:49,760
maybe he figured it out but you wouldn't

2835
02:05:57,010 --> 02:05:52,880
told us any of that he finally took

2836
02:05:59,620 --> 02:05:57,020
pictures with that camera and he started

2837
02:06:01,210 --> 02:05:59,630
he had a sliding with his wife where she

2838
02:06:03,370 --> 02:06:01,220
thought the thing was close by he

2839
02:06:05,470 --> 02:06:03,380
thought it was distant in any case it

2840
02:06:07,300 --> 02:06:05,480
turned out to be for the year 40 to 70

2841
02:06:09,940 --> 02:06:07,310
feet away according to the stereoscopic

2842
02:06:12,970 --> 02:06:09,950
view and this Ozzy would have been a

2843
02:06:14,290 --> 02:06:12,980
couple of feet in size one point is he

2844
02:06:15,610 --> 02:06:14,300
did take the picture with it and submit

2845
02:06:17,530 --> 02:06:15,620
of the picture he took ten pictures

2846
02:06:19,000 --> 02:06:17,540
actually with his camera now some of

2847
02:06:22,320 --> 02:06:19,010
these pictures for analysis

2848
02:06:24,370 --> 02:06:22,330
had he been a faker there was a super

2849
02:06:26,500 --> 02:06:24,380
photographer that he was accused of

2850
02:06:28,840 --> 02:06:26,510
being he would have known I was going on

2851
02:06:31,990 --> 02:06:28,850
whether we fused the camera or the field

2852
02:06:35,290 --> 02:06:32,000
camera I was sealed by wax by the guy

2853
02:06:37,210 --> 02:06:35,300
who loaded the camera Tom Dooley and it

2854
02:06:38,860 --> 02:06:37,220
was unsealed after the photos have been

2855
02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:38,870
taken it was unsealed and a public

2856
02:06:46,600 --> 02:06:43,610
display of these of this particular

2857
02:06:49,540 --> 02:06:46,610
sighting so there's no doubt about the

2858
02:06:50,980 --> 02:06:49,550
tiger he took these ten pictures and as

2859
02:06:53,410 --> 02:06:50,990
I said they showed some object was about

2860
02:06:55,210 --> 02:06:53,420
two and a half feet long with multiple

2861
02:06:57,810 --> 02:06:55,220
lights on it and it was about 40 feet

2862
02:06:59,470 --> 02:06:57,820
away from him my estimated space on

2863
02:07:03,310 --> 02:06:59,480
calibrating the camera

2864
02:07:05,230 --> 02:07:03,320
he also took what he's accused of doing

2865
02:07:07,720 --> 02:07:05,240
using a camera that he could do double

2866
02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:07,730
exposures on that was his old total his

2867
02:07:11,440 --> 02:07:10,010
old Polaroid where you could click the

2868
02:07:12,790 --> 02:07:11,450
lens and click the shutter any number of

2869
02:07:14,050 --> 02:07:12,800
times before you pulled the film out so

2870
02:07:16,330 --> 02:07:14,060
you could do a double exposure pretty

2871
02:07:17,860 --> 02:07:16,340
easily he went in columns all the Marvel

2872
02:07:20,890 --> 02:07:17,870
600 Polaroid

2873
02:07:22,450 --> 02:07:20,900
which is the most recent type that has a

2874
02:07:24,190 --> 02:07:22,460
motor in it that ejects the film you

2875
02:07:26,620 --> 02:07:24,200
take a picture and immediately it ejects

2876
02:07:29,770 --> 02:07:26,630
the film in other words you don't have a

2877
02:07:32,100 --> 02:07:29,780
chance to do it over exposure and he

2878
02:07:34,570 --> 02:07:32,110
took a couple of pictures were at and

2879
02:07:37,150 --> 02:07:34,580
this was in response to the skeptics

2880
02:07:39,130 --> 02:07:37,160
saying as I said he had been claiming

2881
02:07:42,550 --> 02:07:39,140
that he was seeing double exposures well

2882
02:07:44,770 --> 02:07:42,560
with this new model 600 camera we had to

2883
02:07:45,939 --> 02:07:44,780
call up the people in Polaroid to find

2884
02:07:48,070 --> 02:07:45,949
out how you could do a double X

2885
02:07:50,860 --> 02:07:48,080
she could and I said the other way we

2886
02:07:53,200 --> 02:07:50,870
could do that would be to click the

2887
02:07:55,150 --> 02:07:53,210
shutter and push the film back in again

2888
02:07:58,209 --> 02:07:55,160
into this mechanism against this

2889
02:08:00,490 --> 02:07:58,219
national operation something that nobody

2890
02:08:02,500 --> 02:08:00,500
had ever thought of before so anyway he

2891
02:08:04,870 --> 02:08:02,510
had taken a picture with us this minute

2892
02:08:06,400 --> 02:08:04,880
names rotor stereo camera and after the

2893
02:08:07,810 --> 02:08:06,410
figures were develop a totally know why

2894
02:08:10,510 --> 02:08:07,820
we had done to be able to measure the

2895
02:08:12,729 --> 02:08:10,520
distance and I said well he was got a

2896
02:08:15,160 --> 02:08:12,739
model 600 camera now maybe you could get

2897
02:08:18,760 --> 02:08:15,170
another model 600 camera put them on a

2898
02:08:21,070 --> 02:08:18,770
tripod separated them by a foot and take

2899
02:08:22,630 --> 02:08:21,080
even better trees still pictures the

2900
02:08:26,950 --> 02:08:22,640
stereo pictures allow you to calculate

2901
02:08:30,189 --> 02:08:26,960
distance he was always very avid to have

2902
02:08:34,510 --> 02:08:30,199
his he was trying the truth and I saw

2903
02:08:36,400 --> 02:08:34,520
all his pictures and so on so he wanted

2904
02:08:39,340 --> 02:08:36,410
to come up with evidence to prove he was

2905
02:08:42,550 --> 02:08:39,350
telling the truth and he could prove

2906
02:08:44,860 --> 02:08:42,560
with the pictures the model a well if he

2907
02:08:46,660 --> 02:08:44,870
if the stereo showed some object and

2908
02:08:48,370 --> 02:08:46,670
hundreds of feet away in tens of feet in

2909
02:08:53,500 --> 02:08:48,380
size it obviously wasn't the model that

2910
02:08:55,240 --> 02:08:53,510
he was making in this bathroom and

2911
02:08:59,110 --> 02:08:55,250
taking pictures of it in the bathroom or

2912
02:09:02,950 --> 02:08:59,120
whatever so the next thing I know he's

2913
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:02,960
made him to camera tripod like how the

2914
02:09:07,870 --> 02:09:06,050
self-referencing stereo camera srs and

2915
02:09:11,740 --> 02:09:07,880
he's definitely one foot batteries but

2916
02:09:13,209 --> 02:09:11,750
these these cameras two feet apart you

2917
02:09:15,070 --> 02:09:13,219
ought to be able to do some good

2918
02:09:17,020 --> 02:09:15,080
calibration you know measure distances

2919
02:09:20,620 --> 02:09:17,030
up to 200 feet in law where the camera

2920
02:09:24,720 --> 02:09:20,630
as a separation of 200 of 2 feet and he

2921
02:09:28,380 --> 02:09:24,730
took several pictures with that and they

2922
02:09:30,550 --> 02:09:28,390
a very complicated multiple witness case

2923
02:09:32,169 --> 02:09:30,560
where the canada object seemed to be a

2924
02:09:36,490 --> 02:09:32,179
hundred and eighty feet away and so on

2925
02:09:39,510 --> 02:09:36,500
but the thing that really got me i said

2926
02:09:42,700 --> 02:09:39,520
okay this is all real was on May 1 of

2927
02:09:46,030 --> 02:09:42,710
1988 when you use this camera to take a

2928
02:09:49,390 --> 02:09:46,040
picture which had two UFOs in it and had

2929
02:09:52,270 --> 02:09:49,400
the the type that was over the road well

2930
02:09:54,430 --> 02:09:52,280
I call a type one and then the animal

2931
02:09:56,560 --> 02:09:54,440
type both of them there are different

2932
02:09:58,330 --> 02:09:56,570
distances and different sizes what I

2933
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tell you require mathematical genius to

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figure out how to think

2935
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things after the fact well sure II

2937
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didn't have a closer slightest clue and

2938
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this picture many long like I said had

2939
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the type one object three three or four

2940
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hundred feet away over water let's

2941
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pursue this in our next segment okay

2942
02:10:29,990 --> 02:10:21,420
Bruce dr. Bruce Maccabee joining Jean

2943
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Berkey guy so you may know a few things

2972
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about him for example you are well aware

2973
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2974
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to prove just how effective they are

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results just visit go Berkey comm you

2980
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may also know that the Berkey guy has

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helped tens of thousands of people get

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2992
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2994
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it's time for a home security quiz what

2996
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effective home security device is

2997
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smaller than a coffee cup fakes out

2998
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burglars into thinking someone is home

2999
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at your house while you're away plugs

3000
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into any wall outlet is recommended by

3001
02:12:58,610 --> 02:12:54,720
many police departments and sells for

3002
02:13:01,280 --> 02:12:58,620
less than $30 yes it's fake TV this year

3003
02:13:03,170 --> 02:13:01,290
about 1 in every 50 US homes will have a

3004
02:13:05,750 --> 02:13:03,180
break in with burglars usually picking

3005
02:13:08,450 --> 02:13:05,760
the easy target a dark house that looks

3006
02:13:10,580 --> 02:13:08,460
like no one is home fake TV is a small

3007
02:13:12,950 --> 02:13:10,590
electronic security device that makes it

3008
02:13:15,830 --> 02:13:12,960
look like someone is home watching TV by

3009
02:13:17,540 --> 02:13:15,840
simulating the light from a real TV fake

3010
02:13:20,060 --> 02:13:17,550
TV could be the difference between

3011
02:13:22,220 --> 02:13:20,070
coming home to a secured house or one

3012
02:13:24,590 --> 02:13:22,230
that's been ransacked to get your fake

3013
02:13:27,800 --> 02:13:24,600
TV for only twenty nine ninety-five with

3014
02:13:30,260 --> 02:13:27,810
free shipping go to fake tv.com or call

3015
02:13:32,570 --> 02:13:30,270
one eight seven seven five fake TV

3016
02:13:35,480 --> 02:13:32,580
that's eight seven seven five three two

3017
02:13:39,410 --> 02:13:35,490
five three eight eight or go to fake

3018
02:13:41,870 --> 02:13:39,420
tv.com fake TV the burglar deterrent I

3019
02:13:44,150 --> 02:13:41,880
have bought a few bottles of heart and

3020
02:13:46,220 --> 02:13:44,160
body extract and have to say that it

3021
02:13:47,690 --> 02:13:46,230
certainly does work that's what Jack

3022
02:13:49,490 --> 02:13:47,700
from Michigan had to say after his

3023
02:13:50,900 --> 02:13:49,500
experience with heart pain and what he

3024
02:13:53,090 --> 02:13:50,910
did to treat it with heart and body

3025
02:13:54,920 --> 02:13:53,100
extract I actually had a huge heart

3026
02:13:57,380 --> 02:13:54,930
flutter it's also having some edema

3027
02:14:00,140 --> 02:13:57,390
around my ankles and very worrisome clot

3028
02:14:02,810 --> 02:14:00,150
in my right leg that would happen from

3029
02:14:04,760 --> 02:14:02,820
time to time I was trying to sleep heart

3030
02:14:06,560 --> 02:14:04,770
and body extract is all natural with no

3031
02:14:08,300 --> 02:14:06,570
negative side effects it will help

3032
02:14:09,980 --> 02:14:08,310
repair or correct past problems

3033
02:14:12,530 --> 02:14:09,990
associated with the heart and body

3034
02:14:14,650 --> 02:14:12,540
circulation after my second bottle of

3035
02:14:17,440 --> 02:14:14,660
heart and body extract

3036
02:14:20,260 --> 02:14:17,450
all problems are now gone order at HB

3037
02:14:22,840 --> 02:14:20,270
extract calm or call eight six six two

3038
02:14:24,970 --> 02:14:22,850
nine five five three zero five I ordered

3039
02:14:26,680 --> 02:14:24,980
a third bottle of heart and body extract

3040
02:14:28,810 --> 02:14:26,690
for maintenance as I want to keep

3041
02:14:31,390 --> 02:14:28,820
everything working order heart and body

3042
02:14:35,410 --> 02:14:31,400
extract at eight six six two nine five

3043
02:14:38,200 --> 02:14:35,420
five three zero five or HB extract calm

3044
02:14:43,570 --> 02:14:38,210
heart and body extract for a long and

3045
02:14:47,260 --> 02:14:43,580
healthy life I make pipes you're

3046
02:14:49,600 --> 02:14:47,270
listening to the parrot song so

3047
02:14:51,880 --> 02:14:49,610
listeners what Bruce Maccabee is doing

3048
02:14:55,000 --> 02:14:51,890
here is dissecting the various elements

3049
02:14:57,280 --> 02:14:55,010
of his photos made by ed Walters with as

3050
02:15:00,640 --> 02:14:57,290
you say very tight control so he

3051
02:15:05,950 --> 02:15:00,650
couldn't do some hanky-panky or do

3052
02:15:08,440 --> 02:15:05,960
something funky for a number of reasons

3053
02:15:09,460 --> 02:15:08,450
but one of them is the deciding to

3054
02:15:11,620 --> 02:15:09,470
continue the wrong with the

3055
02:15:13,510 --> 02:15:11,630
investigation here means that we had an

3056
02:15:15,730 --> 02:15:13,520
impact we could have an impact on the

3057
02:15:19,930 --> 02:15:15,740
investigation for example giving the guy

3058
02:15:22,210 --> 02:15:19,940
a stereo camera and his lady and his

3059
02:15:25,120 --> 02:15:22,220
wife have a picture of a sight anymore

3060
02:15:27,250 --> 02:15:25,130
he takes the the stereo camera takes the

3061
02:15:30,250 --> 02:15:27,260
pictures with an installed camera and

3062
02:15:33,430 --> 02:15:30,260
then I suggested that he take to model

3063
02:15:35,350 --> 02:15:33,440
600 cameras and a couple of feet apart

3064
02:15:37,870 --> 02:15:35,360
apart and he does a two feet which is

3065
02:15:39,670 --> 02:15:37,880
even better if he has been if he who has

3066
02:15:42,490 --> 02:15:39,680
been photographing a model at a distance

3067
02:15:45,820 --> 02:15:42,500
of 20 feet the parallax effect would

3068
02:15:50,110 --> 02:15:45,830
have been immediately obvious that it

3069
02:15:51,790 --> 02:15:50,120
was a fake that he was faking and so

3070
02:15:55,360 --> 02:15:51,800
when he came up with a picture I'm

3071
02:15:57,450 --> 02:15:55,370
anyone it showed two different UFOs of

3072
02:16:00,330 --> 02:15:57,460
different sizes and different distances

3073
02:16:03,190 --> 02:16:00,340
having a virtual impossibility to fake

3074
02:16:06,790 --> 02:16:03,200
under the conditions that he took these

3075
02:16:10,120 --> 02:16:06,800
pictures that was enough for me to say

3076
02:16:12,880 --> 02:16:10,130
this was real now I should say that this

3077
02:16:15,040 --> 02:16:12,890
involve people other than had there have

3078
02:16:18,100 --> 02:16:15,050
been people the first night in November

3079
02:16:20,440 --> 02:16:18,110
of 1987 and there were scattered

3080
02:16:22,660 --> 02:16:20,450
sightings by a bunch of people turning

3081
02:16:26,260 --> 02:16:22,670
this number January and into February

3082
02:16:28,419 --> 02:16:26,270
and then in February and late March the

3083
02:16:30,700 --> 02:16:28,429
sighting ray by other people increase

3084
02:16:33,849 --> 02:16:30,710
he didn't have any settings in April but

3085
02:16:35,110 --> 02:16:33,859
other people did and a lot of these

3086
02:16:36,759 --> 02:16:35,120
people were saying they saw the same

3087
02:16:38,950 --> 02:16:36,769
thing that had photographs or they saw

3088
02:16:41,620 --> 02:16:38,960
only like their the light from it

3089
02:16:43,480 --> 02:16:41,630
so basically despite a few minor

3090
02:16:45,129 --> 02:16:43,490
questions about his background or maybe

3091
02:16:48,969 --> 02:16:45,139
not so minor depending on your point of

3092
02:16:50,620 --> 02:16:48,979
view mr. ed ed Walters has this sealed

3093
02:16:52,750 --> 02:16:50,630
box of the camera where he takes

3094
02:16:55,209 --> 02:16:52,760
pictures and gets results but we also

3095
02:16:58,540 --> 02:16:55,219
have other people having similar

3096
02:17:01,030 --> 02:16:58,550
experiences and they are not connected

3097
02:17:02,799 --> 02:17:01,040
to ed Walters in any way I wrote a paper

3098
02:17:05,500 --> 02:17:02,809
and presented a paper at the new farms

3099
02:17:08,650 --> 02:17:05,510
symposium in 89 I think called Gulf

3100
02:17:11,290 --> 02:17:08,660
Breeze without head it had 36 or 37

3101
02:17:12,700 --> 02:17:11,300
sightings in that period of time there

3102
02:17:18,250 --> 02:17:12,710
were a couple hundred other people who

3103
02:17:22,110 --> 02:17:18,260
also reported sightings within 90 90 87

3104
02:17:24,549 --> 02:17:22,120
88 89 timeframe I think nearly up to 90

3105
02:17:29,070 --> 02:17:24,559
point being that he wasn't he wasn't

3106
02:17:32,770 --> 02:17:29,080
there by himself but in 18 in 1919 89

3107
02:17:37,330 --> 02:17:32,780
1990 he published his book the Gulf

3108
02:17:40,919 --> 02:17:37,340
Breeze sightings at the same time and a

3109
02:17:45,719 --> 02:17:40,929
spring of 90 a reporter for the

3110
02:17:47,500 --> 02:17:45,729
Pensacola newspaper did an investigation

3111
02:17:49,709 --> 02:17:47,510
first of all you interviewed other

3112
02:17:52,570 --> 02:17:49,719
people who had seen the same thing and

3113
02:17:54,750 --> 02:17:52,580
things were good then he did an article

3114
02:17:58,660 --> 02:17:54,760
on the ghost photos and tried REO the

3115
02:18:03,009 --> 02:17:58,670
doubles exposed everything and then all

3116
02:18:04,450 --> 02:18:03,019
hell broke loose when he asked the guy

3117
02:18:05,469 --> 02:18:04,460
who was not only in his house that had

3118
02:18:07,719 --> 02:18:05,479
moved out of the house that he was

3119
02:18:10,629 --> 02:18:07,729
living in he had moved out of it and

3120
02:18:12,310 --> 02:18:10,639
sold it and the guy the newspaper

3121
02:18:15,400 --> 02:18:12,320
reporter asked the man have you've seen

3122
02:18:18,759 --> 02:18:15,410
any UFOs around and the guy said no this

3123
02:18:21,009 --> 02:18:18,769
was in March of 1990 several years after

3124
02:18:22,870 --> 02:18:21,019
the sightings so he's in the office

3125
02:18:26,469 --> 02:18:22,880
right now have you seen any photos of

3126
02:18:27,070 --> 02:18:26,479
UFOs around know the whole lot of any

3127
02:18:28,870 --> 02:18:27,080
models

3128
02:18:30,940 --> 02:18:28,880
that's the third question at this

3129
02:18:33,310 --> 02:18:30,950
newspaper reporter ask you see any

3130
02:18:35,530 --> 02:18:33,320
models lying around in the house or

3131
02:18:37,719 --> 02:18:35,540
outside or whatever and the guy said oh

3132
02:18:40,480 --> 02:18:37,729
yeah there was a model turns out that

3133
02:18:41,799 --> 02:18:40,490
this model was similar to but not

3134
02:18:43,809 --> 02:18:41,809
identical to

3135
02:18:45,459 --> 02:18:43,819
what was shown in the pictures and of

3136
02:18:48,609 --> 02:18:45,469
course the media argument was made there

3137
02:18:51,629 --> 02:18:48,619
well I had a model about eight or nine

3138
02:18:54,370 --> 02:18:51,639
inches in diameter that he was using to

3139
02:18:58,059 --> 02:18:54,380
take his pictures of you know double

3140
02:19:00,250 --> 02:18:58,069
exposure matter and then to be to top

3141
02:19:02,620 --> 02:19:00,260
that off the young man Lenny or Tommy

3142
02:19:06,490 --> 02:19:02,630
Smith claimed that he was with Ed and

3143
02:19:08,229 --> 02:19:06,500
had to fake a lot of pictures or Tommy

3144
02:19:10,059 --> 02:19:08,239
Smith's argument fell apart so

3145
02:19:13,979 --> 02:19:10,069
demoralizing a fall apart when they

3146
02:19:21,370 --> 02:19:18,969
paper drafting paper tomorrow was made

3147
02:19:24,370 --> 02:19:21,380
out of edge drafting paper has been used

3148
02:19:27,729 --> 02:19:24,380
to me we come our little house that

3149
02:19:30,009 --> 02:19:27,739
didn't occur until 1989 after those

3150
02:19:31,899 --> 02:19:30,019
after as long as well as photos have

3151
02:19:33,519 --> 02:19:31,909
been taken none of the models didn't

3152
02:19:36,429 --> 02:19:33,529
exist at the time of the photos and

3153
02:19:39,069 --> 02:19:36,439
Tommy Smith's testimony Masson will be a

3154
02:19:42,910 --> 02:19:39,079
lot of songs with Swiss cheese remember

3155
02:19:45,250 --> 02:19:42,920
I mentioned the blue beam photo proving

3156
02:19:48,490 --> 02:19:45,260
that at least that photo was a double

3157
02:19:50,859 --> 02:19:48,500
exposure Tommy Smith said told him all

3158
02:19:52,769 --> 02:19:50,869
he had made pictures and one person

3159
02:19:54,880 --> 02:19:52,779
interviewing Tommy Smith said how did

3160
02:19:57,040 --> 02:19:54,890
describing how he made this photo with

3161
02:19:58,689 --> 02:19:57,050
the Blue Beam and Tommy Smith's I

3162
02:20:01,120 --> 02:19:58,699
answered well I had said that he had

3163
02:20:04,319 --> 02:20:01,130
peeled the pawl appealed the film back

3164
02:20:06,939 --> 02:20:04,329
and some one ERA made it in this image

3165
02:20:09,790 --> 02:20:06,949
well even the even the skeptics didn't

3166
02:20:11,139 --> 02:20:09,800
go for that there's so many other

3167
02:20:14,979 --> 02:20:11,149
details that I don't have time to go

3168
02:20:16,450 --> 02:20:14,989
into that were all refuted it's kind of

3169
02:20:18,340 --> 02:20:16,460
interesting that all these people are

3170
02:20:22,059 --> 02:20:18,350
the kids that were involved in this

3171
02:20:24,819 --> 02:20:22,069
sightings as children or teenagers

3172
02:20:27,519 --> 02:20:24,829
Tommy Smith was a teenager they're all

3173
02:20:28,630 --> 02:20:27,529
adults now I know one can go back to

3174
02:20:30,790 --> 02:20:28,640
them and I say well what do you think

3175
02:20:34,929 --> 02:20:30,800
about what you testify the way back in

3176
02:20:36,010 --> 02:20:34,939
the old days the Tiger Woods pictures it

3177
02:20:38,859 --> 02:20:36,020
would be interesting to see what they

3178
02:20:40,420 --> 02:20:38,869
would say now as I said Tommy Smith's

3179
02:20:44,469 --> 02:20:40,430
testimony was found to be about as tall

3180
02:20:46,179 --> 02:20:44,479
as the Swiss cheese the model wasn't

3181
02:20:50,469 --> 02:20:46,189
made until after Ed's pictures have been

3182
02:20:53,410 --> 02:20:50,479
taken and as sightings and other

3183
02:20:55,639 --> 02:20:53,420
sightings continued beyond 1990 I saw

3184
02:21:00,019 --> 02:20:55,649
myself something strange

3185
02:21:02,239 --> 02:21:00,029
they're in ranks October of 1991 in 1890

3186
02:21:04,489 --> 02:21:02,249
a whole bunch of serious series of

3187
02:21:06,620 --> 02:21:04,499
settings of red lights flying through

3188
02:21:09,439 --> 02:21:06,630
the sky or seen these are immediately

3189
02:21:12,069 --> 02:21:09,449
thought of as a flares attached to

3190
02:21:16,040 --> 02:21:12,079
balloons but if that were true then

3191
02:21:19,790 --> 02:21:16,050
there are very extreme layers they grow

3192
02:21:22,550 --> 02:21:19,800
rather than really bright white flashes

3193
02:21:24,859 --> 02:21:22,560
of light and it's a little dangerous to

3194
02:21:27,319 --> 02:21:24,869
be flying flares in an area or a town

3195
02:21:28,519 --> 02:21:27,329
anyway all right granted and we haven't

3196
02:21:31,609 --> 02:21:28,529
have a lot of time left and I want to

3197
02:21:34,519 --> 02:21:31,619
kind of move the answers quickly okay so

3198
02:21:36,710 --> 02:21:34,529
how long are these sightings continue

3199
02:21:53,389 --> 02:21:36,720
what's the last time you have a record

3200
02:21:56,389 --> 02:21:53,399
of 1991-1992 I guess it was 1992 I went

3201
02:21:58,370 --> 02:21:56,399
there is kind of sighting myself the Red

3202
02:22:06,649 --> 02:21:58,380
Lake sightings and so called Bobo

3203
02:22:09,559 --> 02:22:06,659
sightings lasted until they lasted until

3204
02:22:12,920 --> 02:22:09,569
July of 1992 after that things became

3205
02:22:15,830 --> 02:22:12,930
very sporadic the the new fire

3206
02:22:18,170 --> 02:22:15,840
investigators catalogued a few dozen

3207
02:22:20,769 --> 02:22:18,180
sightings per year after that they had

3208
02:22:24,229 --> 02:22:20,779
had a couple of photographic sightings

3209
02:22:26,090 --> 02:22:24,239
one of them which is on my website his

3210
02:22:27,889 --> 02:22:26,100
stuff that were written in REM Brooke

3211
02:22:32,479 --> 02:22:27,899
called the UFOs over here is the proof

3212
02:22:35,960 --> 02:22:32,489
it was published in 1995 or 1996 I guess

3213
02:22:39,620 --> 02:22:35,970
and that includes pictures and sightings

3214
02:22:45,109 --> 02:22:39,630
that go beyond what's in the original

3215
02:22:47,090 --> 02:22:45,119
book let me ask you a question here I'm

3216
02:22:47,779 --> 02:22:47,100
sorry to move it along but we don't have

3217
02:22:50,750 --> 02:22:47,789
much time left

3218
02:22:52,340 --> 02:22:50,760
okay ed Walters what was the last time

3219
02:23:02,960 --> 02:22:52,350
you heard from him what is he doing

3220
02:23:05,500 --> 02:23:02,970
these days he got into when they had a

3221
02:23:09,620 --> 02:23:05,510
big hurricane in 1993 I think it was

3222
02:23:12,190 --> 02:23:09,630
wiped out Pensacola Beach

3223
02:23:14,810 --> 02:23:12,200
a Pensacola Beach had some big hotels on

3224
02:23:19,910 --> 02:23:14,820
but there was the sand dunes were all

3225
02:23:21,969 --> 02:23:19,920
gone and pay telephones were all screwed

3226
02:23:27,770 --> 02:23:21,979
up washed away

3227
02:23:30,070 --> 02:23:27,780
Edie who was a wealthy person agreed to

3228
02:23:35,860 --> 02:23:30,080
put back the telephone survived he was

3229
02:23:42,320 --> 02:23:35,870
made part of the tell South Bell company

3230
02:23:45,200 --> 02:23:42,330
and so he became a telephone person what

3231
02:23:48,980 --> 02:23:45,210
else he may be doing I don't know our

3232
02:23:54,560 --> 02:23:48,990
last I saw him was I think 2000 2008 I

3233
02:23:57,560 --> 02:23:54,570
think it was and of course he was caught

3234
02:23:59,330 --> 02:23:57,570
sticking to a story I asked him at the

3235
02:24:01,639 --> 02:23:59,340
time you know what you and your kids

3236
02:24:05,389 --> 02:24:01,649
that were talk about this that happened

3237
02:24:08,660 --> 02:24:05,399
the 27 years before they just were all

3238
02:24:12,170 --> 02:24:08,670
basically I guess we live as if it never

3239
02:24:14,719 --> 02:24:12,180
happened that it sounds like a better

3240
02:24:17,030 --> 02:24:14,729
answer in some of these cases dr. Bruce

3241
02:24:21,160 --> 02:24:17,040
Maccabee joins Jean and Chris for one

3242
02:24:28,700 --> 02:24:21,170
more segment you're in the Paragon

3243
02:24:35,570 --> 02:24:32,180
we are the premier independent talk

3244
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3245
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3246
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3247
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3248
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3249
02:24:51,590 --> 02:24:49,680
military intelligence officer is haunted

3250
02:24:54,080 --> 02:24:51,600
by intense dreams about a beautiful

3251
02:24:57,200 --> 02:24:54,090
woman pleading for his help after a

3252
02:24:59,300 --> 02:24:57,210
terrible battle in outer space but the

3253
02:25:01,190 --> 02:24:59,310
dreams turn out to be true and thrust

3254
02:25:04,280 --> 02:25:01,200
him into a telepathic love affair with a

3255
02:25:06,620 --> 02:25:04,290
woman whose faraway planet is intent on

3256
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destroying the earth and now the

3257
02:25:11,900 --> 02:25:09,450
gripping tale continues in the coming of

3258
02:25:14,540 --> 02:25:11,910
the protectors it's the second book of

3259
02:25:16,730 --> 02:25:14,550
the raccoons trilogy a galaxy spanning

3260
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adventure that pits our hapless heroes

3261
02:25:21,590 --> 02:25:19,830
against powerful fanatical enemies that

3262
02:25:24,260 --> 02:25:21,600
threatened the lives of freedom loving

3263
02:25:27,010 --> 02:25:24,270
beings everywhere attack of the rock

3264
02:25:29,750 --> 02:25:27,020
ODEs and the coming of the protectors

3265
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3266
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3267
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3268
02:25:43,100 --> 02:25:41,280
calm this alert just came in this

3269
02:25:44,840 --> 02:25:43,110
special announcement is for business

3270
02:25:47,120 --> 02:25:44,850
owners and leaders of organizations

3271
02:25:49,850 --> 02:25:47,130
who've been waiting for the right time

3272
02:25:51,590 --> 02:25:49,860
to build general steel has made it

3273
02:25:53,480 --> 02:25:51,600
impossible to wait any longer with

3274
02:25:55,640 --> 02:25:53,490
rock-bottom prices that could save you

3275
02:25:57,650 --> 02:25:55,650
thousands that's right general steel

3276
02:25:59,660 --> 02:25:57,660
America's leader in pre engineered

3277
02:26:01,760 --> 02:25:59,670
structures is offering buildings at

3278
02:26:04,780 --> 02:26:01,770
prices you will never see again don't

3279
02:26:07,610 --> 02:26:04,790
miss these prices a 50 by 100 for under

3280
02:26:10,340 --> 02:26:07,620
$30,000 you heard right that's 5000

3281
02:26:12,440 --> 02:26:10,350
square feet under $30,000 manufacturers

3282
02:26:14,390 --> 02:26:12,450
if you need a larger building try a 100

3283
02:26:16,010 --> 02:26:14,400
by 100 commercial building for a hundred

3284
02:26:17,960 --> 02:26:16,020
and twenty nine thousand you can't

3285
02:26:19,940 --> 02:26:17,970
afford to rent with these prices imagine

3286
02:26:21,830 --> 02:26:19,950
a 70 by 100 foot church building for

3287
02:26:23,930 --> 02:26:21,840
under sixty nine thousand dollars with

3288
02:26:26,060 --> 02:26:23,940
the economy improving and interest rate

3289
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still at historic lows you can't afford

3290
02:26:31,610 --> 02:26:29,790
to wait so call 866 91 steel luck in

3291
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your price now take delivery and spring

3292
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3293
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3294
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3295
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3296
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3297
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3298
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patrol rations or lurks soldiers love

3299
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LARP rations they're lightweight and

3300
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easy to carry easy to prepare by just

3301
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adding water easy to enjoy because they

3302
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taste great civilians love lips is a

3303
02:27:06,660 --> 02:27:04,410
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3304
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recreational activities with limited

3305
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storage space such as hiking climbing

3306
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3307
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3308
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3309
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3310
02:27:25,740 --> 02:27:23,440
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3311
02:27:27,480 --> 02:27:25,750
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3312
02:27:30,060 --> 02:27:27,490
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3313
02:27:32,580 --> 02:27:30,070
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3314
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3315
02:27:39,501 --> 02:27:35,141
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3316
02:27:42,480 --> 02:27:39,511
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3317
02:27:45,211 --> 02:27:42,490
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3318
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migraines having botox injections in my

3319
02:27:49,711 --> 02:27:47,620
head and neck to alleviate pain costing

3320
02:27:51,990 --> 02:27:49,721
1500 dollars out of my pocket i

3321
02:27:54,211 --> 02:27:52,000
discovered dr. Ortman and gentle touch

3322
02:27:56,730 --> 02:27:54,221
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3323
02:27:58,740 --> 02:27:56,740
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3324
02:28:00,390 --> 02:27:58,750
thanks for giving me my life back dr.

3325
02:28:03,001 --> 02:28:00,400
Ortman I wish they prescribed you

3326
02:28:04,740 --> 02:28:03,011
instead of Botox thanks to Ray putting

3327
02:28:07,020 --> 02:28:04,750
the bones back in place is only half of

3328
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3329
02:28:11,341 --> 02:28:09,190
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3330
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3331
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3332
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3333
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3334
02:28:24,841 --> 02:28:19,870
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3335
02:28:26,370 --> 02:28:24,851
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3336
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3337
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3338
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3339
02:28:36,001 --> 02:28:33,340
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3340
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3341
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3342
02:28:49,600 --> 02:28:47,420
[Music]

3343
02:28:58,860 --> 02:28:49,610
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

3344
02:29:04,450 --> 02:29:01,421
it's our final segment with dr. Bruce

3345
02:29:07,440 --> 02:29:04,460
Maccabee he spent a lot of the last say

3346
02:29:11,650 --> 02:29:07,450
third of the show detailing the various

3347
02:29:13,930 --> 02:29:11,660
Gulf Breeze photos and Walters why he

3348
02:29:17,530 --> 02:29:13,940
believes and Walters is accurate Chris

3349
02:29:19,690 --> 02:29:17,540
we have tons and tons of questions we'll

3350
02:29:22,240 --> 02:29:19,700
never get to are there any questions

3351
02:29:23,950 --> 02:29:22,250
that you could put together from what

3352
02:29:25,961 --> 02:29:23,960
Bruce has been talking about here about

3353
02:29:27,930 --> 02:29:25,971
golf blades to him let me just quickly

3354
02:29:32,921 --> 02:29:27,940
refer to some of the stuff that happened

3355
02:29:35,261 --> 02:29:32,931
after Ed's initial sightings in 1987 and

3356
02:29:36,400 --> 02:29:35,271
88 there is all about the sightings it

3357
02:29:38,140 --> 02:29:36,410
had had a few sightings

3358
02:29:40,980 --> 02:29:38,150
among those but that is all a lot of

3359
02:29:43,841 --> 02:29:40,990
people 170 Bubba sightings logged by the

3360
02:29:45,461 --> 02:29:43,851
investigators the numbers of witnesses

3361
02:29:48,131 --> 02:29:45,471
ranging from three or four all up to a

3362
02:29:50,381 --> 02:29:48,141
hundred including cops and stuff like

3363
02:29:52,240 --> 02:29:50,391
that that's a period of time Gulf Breeze

3364
02:29:55,030 --> 02:29:52,250
was the UFO center of the world and

3365
02:29:58,631 --> 02:29:55,040
literally news people from all the world

3366
02:30:00,251 --> 02:29:58,641
came to to break this to figure this

3367
02:30:01,950 --> 02:30:00,261
stuff out and they would have a sighting

3368
02:30:05,650 --> 02:30:01,960
an ad it would be freaked out themselves

3369
02:30:08,560 --> 02:30:05,660
as individual sightings of craft he had

3370
02:30:12,161 --> 02:30:08,570
a very famous sighting of an object that

3371
02:30:15,640 --> 02:30:12,171
was up in the sky hovering when f-15s

3372
02:30:18,551 --> 02:30:15,650
came along and flew around it he has a

3373
02:30:20,740 --> 02:30:18,561
photo of oh I call a waterspout photo

3374
02:30:24,911 --> 02:30:20,750
where an object came and hovered over

3375
02:30:26,680 --> 02:30:24,921
the settle of the sound while he was in

3376
02:30:28,810 --> 02:30:26,690
his office looking out the window he saw

3377
02:30:31,450 --> 02:30:28,820
this thing come down and then he saw

3378
02:30:35,020 --> 02:30:31,460
what looked like a stream of water come

3379
02:30:37,240 --> 02:30:35,030
up from the ball and touched the bottom

3380
02:30:39,520 --> 02:30:37,250
of the craft his impression was that

3381
02:30:41,680 --> 02:30:39,530
this thing was sucking up water you know

3382
02:30:44,261 --> 02:30:41,690
when I understand this we can go on for

3383
02:30:46,060 --> 02:30:44,271
12 other shows or really getting close

3384
02:30:48,371 --> 02:30:46,070
to the end well I've got one question

3385
02:30:51,190 --> 02:30:48,381
and I've always thought that possibly

3386
02:30:53,140 --> 02:30:51,200
the close proximity of one of our most

3387
02:30:57,131 --> 02:30:53,150
important naval air stations somehow

3388
02:30:58,450 --> 02:30:57,141
factors into this have the investigators

3389
02:31:00,730 --> 02:30:58,460
that have looked into this case ever

3390
02:31:02,261 --> 02:31:00,740
looked at the possibility that some of

3391
02:31:04,301 --> 02:31:02,271
this stuff could have been psychological

3392
02:31:07,511 --> 02:31:04,311
weapons operations some sort of

3393
02:31:09,551 --> 02:31:07,521
psychotronic platforms that were being

3394
02:31:10,841 --> 02:31:09,561
trotted out and flown around and and my

3395
02:31:12,580 --> 02:31:10,851
other question be how come

3396
02:31:14,560 --> 02:31:12,590
Walter's got all these pitches and we

3397
02:31:16,810 --> 02:31:14,570
have so few other pictures well there

3398
02:31:20,230 --> 02:31:16,820
were other pictures which we're not as

3399
02:31:22,541 --> 02:31:20,240
detailed but that wasn't any one one

3400
02:31:25,841 --> 02:31:22,551
problem was a series of photos that came

3401
02:31:28,390 --> 02:31:25,851
out in December of 1987 at the same time

3402
02:31:30,520 --> 02:31:28,400
of EDS first pictures there were two two

3403
02:31:32,680 --> 02:31:30,530
sets of photos that came out but the

3404
02:31:36,240 --> 02:31:32,690
people wish to remain anonymous we have

3405
02:31:38,711 --> 02:31:36,250
the problem of nobody to talk to anyway

3406
02:31:40,390 --> 02:31:38,721
you can always ask you know why did I

3407
02:31:41,011 --> 02:31:40,400
get all this stuff and no nobody else

3408
02:31:44,410 --> 02:31:41,021
did

3409
02:31:46,171 --> 02:31:44,420
part of it was initially it was kept

3410
02:31:48,610 --> 02:31:46,181
getting his hump in his head or the

3411
02:31:50,470 --> 02:31:48,620
order there's something being you know

3412
02:31:53,110 --> 02:31:50,480
buying a grab his camera and got it I

3413
02:31:56,230 --> 02:31:53,120
got a photo so he was being drawn to it

3414
02:31:58,870 --> 02:31:56,240
Bruce that's what you say he was being

3415
02:32:02,020 --> 02:31:58,880
drawn to these encounters well they were

3416
02:32:04,870 --> 02:32:02,030
being done yeah whatever yeah all right

3417
02:32:07,841 --> 02:32:04,880
Kris yeah another question there's a

3418
02:32:10,330 --> 02:32:07,851
quite a number of questions here Bruce

3419
02:32:12,551 --> 02:32:10,340
oh one one thing that's come up over the

3420
02:32:14,860 --> 02:32:12,561
years is people have questioned your

3421
02:32:16,690 --> 02:32:14,870
involvement in case and and suggested

3422
02:32:18,940 --> 02:32:16,700
that there possibly was some sort of

3423
02:32:22,421 --> 02:32:18,950
conflict of interest were you involved

3424
02:32:24,251 --> 02:32:22,431
in the actual pretty negotiations with

3425
02:32:26,980 --> 02:32:24,261
the Gulf Breeze book and did you receive

3426
02:32:29,131 --> 02:32:26,990
part of the advance I've heard fantastic

3427
02:32:39,310 --> 02:32:29,141
numbers tossed around love to get this

3428
02:32:44,950 --> 02:32:39,320
this nail down book was a disgusting

3429
02:32:48,070 --> 02:32:44,960
I guess 1988 late 80s been so long now I

3430
02:32:50,131 --> 02:32:48,080
can't remember the exact timing I was

3431
02:32:53,950 --> 02:32:50,141
not involved in any of negotiations and

3432
02:32:58,301 --> 02:32:53,960
paid me essentially to write the last

3433
02:33:03,011 --> 02:32:58,311
chapter of the book and anybody can go

3434
02:33:04,690 --> 02:33:03,021
and read what I wrote I was just as

3435
02:33:08,140 --> 02:33:04,700
dubious about the whole thing to begin

3436
02:33:11,711 --> 02:33:08,150
with as everybody else but like I said

3437
02:33:16,541 --> 02:33:11,721
when I got these stereo photos on me one

3438
02:33:18,341 --> 02:33:16,551
I figured oh this is true what I've

3439
02:33:19,900 --> 02:33:18,351
heard some pretty pretty fantastic five

3440
02:33:22,091 --> 02:33:19,910
figure numbers tossed around about how

3441
02:33:24,310 --> 02:33:22,101
much were you paid have you officially

3442
02:33:28,790 --> 02:33:24,320
ever ever

3443
02:33:32,961 --> 02:33:28,800
$18,000 Wow Wow man I wish I could get a

3444
02:33:34,120 --> 02:33:32,971
new passing I just know I didn't know I

3445
02:33:40,580 --> 02:33:34,130
didn't know I was gonna get anything

3446
02:33:42,320 --> 02:33:40,590
until sometime late me a nine I can't

3447
02:33:44,870 --> 02:33:42,330
remember long after the sightings roll

3448
02:33:47,211 --> 02:33:44,880
over yeah and you got paid after you

3449
02:33:49,700 --> 02:33:47,221
wrote that chapter then yeah

3450
02:33:54,980 --> 02:33:49,710
was this a piece of the pie the total

3451
02:33:56,961 --> 02:33:54,990
royalties that he got her what yeah okay

3452
02:33:58,730 --> 02:33:56,971
so if the book had not been a

3453
02:34:03,620 --> 02:33:58,740
best-seller you would have gotten a lot

3454
02:34:06,560 --> 02:34:03,630
less I I gotta fix them out I think it

3455
02:34:07,610 --> 02:34:06,570
is the book was a super best-seller

3456
02:34:10,511 --> 02:34:07,620
doesn't make any difference

3457
02:34:13,190 --> 02:34:10,521
I got a certain amount and I was it

3458
02:34:18,400 --> 02:34:13,200
another thing that the point is that I

3459
02:34:21,711 --> 02:34:18,410
had I completed my analysis way in may

3460
02:34:25,761 --> 02:34:21,721
1988 long before there was anything

3461
02:34:27,980 --> 02:34:25,771
about a book Chris another thing that's

3462
02:34:30,711 --> 02:34:27,990
always intrigued me as as you called it

3463
02:34:33,740 --> 02:34:30,721
the type one object its most famous out

3464
02:34:35,961 --> 02:34:33,750
of ed Walters photographs have you ever

3465
02:34:38,120 --> 02:34:35,971
seen examples of this type of craft

3466
02:34:44,570 --> 02:34:38,130
prior to the Gulf Breeze sightings or

3467
02:34:46,131 --> 02:34:44,580
even since then for that matter roughly

3468
02:34:48,761 --> 02:34:46,141
comparable but the most surprising thing

3469
02:34:51,711 --> 02:34:48,771
to me was as a result of Ed's first book

3470
02:34:54,320 --> 02:34:51,721
he got a lot of photographs from other

3471
02:34:56,900 --> 02:34:54,330
people including photographs from other

3472
02:35:00,080 --> 02:34:56,910
countries but show it was it obviously

3473
02:35:04,430 --> 02:35:00,090
the same thing and that's in UFOs or

3474
02:35:06,230 --> 02:35:04,440
here's the proof as a paperback I guess

3475
02:35:07,730 --> 02:35:06,240
it's still available on Amazon all I

3476
02:35:10,461 --> 02:35:07,740
don't know for sure I haven't looked for

3477
02:35:13,310 --> 02:35:10,471
a long time well where does Gulf Breeze

3478
02:35:15,251 --> 02:35:13,320
fit in has an important case do you feel

3479
02:35:17,870 --> 02:35:15,261
that this is a really important case

3480
02:35:20,751 --> 02:35:17,880
where does it figure in terms of you've

3481
02:35:22,160 --> 02:35:20,761
lodged the fact that it occurred and

3482
02:35:24,650 --> 02:35:22,170
like I said there were hundreds of other

3483
02:35:26,001 --> 02:35:24,660
witnesses it wasn't just ad so if you

3484
02:35:27,711 --> 02:35:26,011
took a tower you know you can have

3485
02:35:32,390 --> 02:35:27,721
yourself the Gulf release flap without

3486
02:35:35,301 --> 02:35:32,400
add what did we learn from the Gulf of

3487
02:35:37,881 --> 02:35:35,311
these case well it took place it shows

3488
02:35:39,740 --> 02:35:37,891
that the weird things can happen

3489
02:35:42,070 --> 02:35:39,750
some people will notice and some people

3490
02:35:48,831 --> 02:35:46,190
Ed's own personal story roles he was

3491
02:35:51,860 --> 02:35:48,841
apparently an abductee he didn't he

3492
02:35:53,541 --> 02:35:51,870
didn't want to even consider that but on

3493
02:35:56,301 --> 02:35:53,551
this may one event where he got two

3494
02:35:57,831 --> 02:35:56,311
euros was the first time that he got

3495
02:35:59,770 --> 02:35:57,841
evidence that something on I knew

3496
02:36:02,301 --> 02:35:59,780
something strange was happening to him

3497
02:36:06,051 --> 02:36:02,311
he took the tooth he took the photo all

3498
02:36:08,841 --> 02:36:06,061
the UFOs and then he had a whiteout

3499
02:36:11,511 --> 02:36:08,851
situation he took the photo of all

3500
02:36:13,700 --> 02:36:11,521
midnight two hours later he wakes up

3501
02:36:17,320 --> 02:36:13,710
looks at his watch he's lying on the

3502
02:36:19,730 --> 02:36:17,330
beach this is he was taking on a beach

3503
02:36:22,461 --> 02:36:19,740
golf freeze looking south over the

3504
02:36:24,020 --> 02:36:22,471
saddle over the sound you've already had

3505
02:36:26,331 --> 02:36:24,030
this tripod set up to take the picture

3506
02:36:30,501 --> 02:36:26,341
take he had heard of ominous head any he

3507
02:36:33,140 --> 02:36:30,511
was ready to take pictures of it and he

3508
02:36:35,091 --> 02:36:33,150
find himself on the beach lying on the

3509
02:36:37,370 --> 02:36:35,101
beach to about two hours later and he's

3510
02:36:39,730 --> 02:36:37,380
missing a couple of the time and he

3511
02:36:43,400 --> 02:36:39,740
called me up the next day about noon and

3512
02:36:45,251 --> 02:36:43,410
described what happened and he called

3513
02:36:47,780 --> 02:36:45,261
one of the local and he told me that he

3514
02:36:49,671 --> 02:36:47,790
had these strange bumps on his head one

3515
02:36:50,511 --> 02:36:49,681
on his forehead one on left and right

3516
02:36:52,100 --> 02:36:50,521
temples

3517
02:36:53,541 --> 02:36:52,110
that's three bumps and one on the back

3518
02:36:56,660 --> 02:36:53,551
of his head that's four bumps on his

3519
02:36:58,220 --> 02:36:56,670
head lumps of whether when I call him he

3520
02:37:00,291 --> 02:36:58,230
call him one of the local investigators

3521
02:37:02,841 --> 02:37:00,301
and had him come and take pictures of

3522
02:37:06,320 --> 02:37:02,851
this we didn't know what that signified

3523
02:37:11,331 --> 02:37:06,330
until months later when had under what

3524
02:37:14,780 --> 02:37:11,341
hypnosis and his the story that came out

3525
02:37:19,761 --> 02:37:14,790
under hypnosis was that he was acting as

3526
02:37:22,100 --> 02:37:19,771
a a teacher the small creatures he said

3527
02:37:25,700 --> 02:37:22,110
he put he's in a room he's sitting on a

3528
02:37:27,591 --> 02:37:25,710
table they put this special bracket or

3529
02:37:30,171 --> 02:37:27,601
hat over his head that's got four

3530
02:37:33,560 --> 02:37:30,181
contact points on his head and then they

3531
02:37:37,791 --> 02:37:33,570
bring in he's a aliens regularly bring

3532
02:37:40,640 --> 02:37:37,801
into this room several small versions of

3533
02:37:43,070 --> 02:37:40,650
the creatures this is a fascinating tale

3534
02:37:45,560 --> 02:37:43,080
itself vas abduction but we're out of

3535
02:37:47,120 --> 02:37:45,570
time so I can't persist with it Bruce

3536
02:37:50,519 --> 02:37:47,130
Maccabee tell our listeners where they

3537
02:37:56,639 --> 02:37:53,729
aka calm under megabytes worth of stuff

3538
02:38:00,869 --> 02:37:56,649
reading I'm gonna be reissuing my book

3539
02:38:03,659 --> 02:38:00,879
beautiful new name UFOs the the UFO FBI

3540
02:38:06,840 --> 02:38:03,669
CIA connection with information about

3541
02:38:11,219 --> 02:38:06,850
the CIA is totally little that might be

3542
02:38:12,630 --> 02:38:11,229
a separate interview Bruce Maccabee yeah

3543
02:38:14,250 --> 02:38:12,640
I think that's it maybe like I'm on

3544
02:38:15,960 --> 02:38:14,260
through so Bruce will have you back and

3545
02:38:18,449 --> 02:38:15,970
we'll talk more about it in the meantime

3546
02:38:21,840 --> 02:38:18,459
Chris O'Brien's site is our strange

3547
02:38:24,630 --> 02:38:21,850
planet come stay tuned for stalking of a

3548
02:38:27,899 --> 02:38:24,640
herd gonna be at your favorite bookstore

3549
02:38:29,670 --> 02:38:27,909
an Amazon just a few weeks sense you can

3550
02:38:31,859 --> 02:38:29,680
find us on Twitter we're known as the

3551
02:38:34,739 --> 02:38:31,869
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3552
02:38:36,899 --> 02:38:34,749
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3553
02:38:39,590 --> 02:38:36,909
check out every single episode of the

3554
02:38:43,289 --> 02:38:39,600
show this is back in 2006 including

3555
02:38:45,239 --> 02:38:43,299
several previous appearances by dr.

3556
02:38:56,050 --> 02:38:45,249
Bruce McAfee dr. Bruce Maccabee thanks

3557
02:39:02,480 --> 02:38:59,599
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3558
02:39:05,469 --> 02:39:02,490
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3559
02:39:09,200 --> 02:39:05,479
presentation of making the impossible